Is the community getting tired of maidsafe

Meh thanks @dirvine, now I had to get out of bed to respond to this :sleepy:

I don’t think you screwed up, but I know where that thought comes from: the pressure you feel from outside. But what kind of criterion or standard is that.
You did this and you are still doing this with an amazing passion, and there is not one way how things are supposed to be done. The decision to make this huge overhaul was a tough one, but a decision had to be made. I for one am glad you made it. Sure, I’ve only heard about the project a couple of months ago, so I haven’t been waiting too long. But a couple of months more shouldn’t be something to be concerned about if what you gain is so much more!

And another thing. You aren’t pushing our limits. If anything, you’re pushing your limits and I really hope you guys did actually have some real holidays to get your head free from this pressure. You need to take care of yourself you know!

I had a job once where the whole team was so passionate about our goals that we kept working like berzerkers for months to to get ready for the big deadline. Those were the most unhealthy months of my life and I would never ever do something like this again. It’s just not worth it, for nothing. So I hope you can get some perspective on things, because really there’s no point in working yourself to the grave. Just a couple of days ago I read an article about the CEO of Fairphone, Bas van Abel. He had to make a break for months to recover from a severe burnout from all the pressure. It’s not worth it. :cherry_blossom:

Gut Ding will Weile haben, as we say in Germany. And I will personally slap whoever creates even more pressure for you guys with a large trout!

You’re all doing an amazing job and I’m glad you’re doing it your way! Im standing firmly behind you.:vulcan:

/signing out

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Tired of Maidsafe? No. Tired of waiting?? Hell yeah! I need this thing like yesterday and the waiting is agonizing. The only way I could become tired of Maidsafe is if I were to see the same stagnation/handwringing as is currently plaguing the bitcoin development world. Talk about development hell! They can’t even agree to change a constant in the freaking code. Now THAT would make me tired of Maidsafe. But over the last year, I look at all the progress this project has made, and maybe its because I’m a developer so I might have a different perspective from say an investor, but I really do understand the setbacks, slowdowns etc. The growth the team is making is solid, the deliverables have been progressively closer to the goal, and with the exception of say, Dash, the stagnation in the cryptosphere has been … painful. So, here’s hoping to vaults and safecoin in 2017!

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Yeah where the hell is @tonda?! That guy was hilarious and knew how to party. We’ll see an uptick in activity around here soon. Honestly I like seeing some impatience being vented, might as well get it off the chest now cause we won’t need that for forever but even more so hearing why people rally behind this project. It’s not your average crypto project. That almost fits as a strapline :grin:

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He got banned and I think he then tried to come back with other names and they all got banned as well.

I miss him too. :cry:

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SAFE may be a long time coming, but if it makes anyone feel better :slight_smile: comparable projects all have their own crosses to bear. SIA seems buggy as hell. You have to buy SIA coin before you can try the system, but the coins don’t get transferred to the wallet and there are weird error messages when you try and upload. The Synereo team has had a fallout and their blockchain looks to be in doubt. Storj generally works OK (although it lost some of my data) but it requires the user to install Node - and it has to be the right version of Node – and it is CLI only, requiring copy and pasting of long hashes in the terminal. So, it’s for geeks only at the moment. Meanwhile, ZeroNet, which is in a slightly different area, has reached the ‘OK, what do we do now’ stage where there are lots of sites but no killer app.

Not to denigrate any of these projects, they’re all trying to do something new and that’s never easy, and they’re all still in the early stages of development, but SAFE has by far the best UI, the best support and the best forum, and progress is being made, so don’t despair!

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All his accounts are blocked as he got a permaban.

True but Storj is not that bad aswell, they are now launching a bnk to the future Convertible note sale. And after a round A funding aiming for 12 to 16 million if im right. So far they launched the community software. They are a serieus and doing good mostly they will be used on the background of other websites that offer hosting eventually. So people wont have to put up nodes. Like dropbox mostly is also only frontend.

I think they might get the usage from Megaupload simply cause they have something to use and maidsafe dont yet. Missed free publicity ofcourse.

So not tired of maidsafe but i hope it wont take another year, cause im sick of explaining people its not vaporware.

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We think about Safenet every other day, just waiting for the big announcement to drop. Many do not realize the implementations once this project enters its beta phase and goes live. So do you have an idea when we will be relieved from our waiting to exhale?

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Can we expect a blog post outlining, what appears to be a push into the Enterprise space.

I was assuming the commercial side of Maidsafe would bootstrap it’self post launch, but maybe the recent revenue raise has enterprise strings attached.

When you say “I would love to see a real global roll-out” it almost sounds as that has become secondary to the enterprise.

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Oh no, this is the primary focus for me for sure. We have just released the ability for Enterprise solutions. We will always push the network for people first (SAFE), but can now accommodate enterprise solutions in parallel. So we can respond to calls for Enterprise solutions and also gear up staff to cope with that. Not at the cost of the SAFE network though. That’s what makes it all happen and why we exist.

Sorry if I mislead you there chap, We have folks now chasing for such solutions and it will ensure the company has multiple revenue streams, however they all come from a working launched SAFE network :wink:

No strings but comes with opportunities others can exploit and we can benefit from really. So the Asia partners will build apps, license enterprise solutions and more. We just need to give them the go ahead and that’s happening now. So all good, but no strings at all :smiley:

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Hope it doesn’t seem like we’re picking apart your words here :grin: but is the alpha version of software considered enterprise solution or other versions? Is it to be announced? Hope that gains some traction for you guys and you get some licensing. Actually in that scenario is the software lisenced at 1% or does maidsafe charge a fee?

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What is the policy for Enterprise bridges to the Global network. Will they be required to use:

  • Existing API’s
  • Maidsafe to develop enterprise bridge
  • Private bridging API’s considered
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Hi Everyone,

I don’t post much here as I’m an investor, not techy at all. Although I keep a close eye on this project. I believe Maidsafe is a game-changer and would like to congratulate and encourage the development team and everyone else involved in the progress made thus far. I think it’s fair to say The World needs this to happen.

If we look at history most large game-changers were made through dedication, perseverance and hard work. The exceptional accidents are few and all the the success stories were sometimes massively criticized along the way. This is normal.

As for those that are impatient or about to lose faith, this is normal as well. I can guarantee you there are investors ready to buy your Maidsafecoins right now, should you choose to dump them at a low enough price. These guys buying will get it right and you will get it wrong. This is normal as well.

So please be patient. I don’t care if it takes until 2020 or longer. Let’s get it right!

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With bridges there is no choice, on SAFE then the API’s have to be used. Enterprise folks still want private networks though and that’s fine as far as we are concerned. As things progress and enterprises realise that having workers free to share and be independent contributors then it will all transition to pure SAFE. So less licenses for us, but a better world. We all win from my perspective anyway.

During all of that MaidSafe will entrench even more in SAFE and hopefully create some core fundamental apps, like lifestuff, messaging etc. and if we are good we will earn dev rewards. If we are really good the core dev rewards will be split across many companies, groups and individuals. At least I hope so. The whole BDFL things worries me a little as it works, but feels wrong. We will see how it develops though. I doubt maidsafe will ever leave it’s vision, or I believe staff and supporters will leave maidsafe, and they should.

So initially I see no bridge, but private networks, I could be very wrong though. Enterprise folks would be wise to store data on SAFE and use safecoin, but it may take a few years to get the message across and accounting cycles to complete etc.

It will all be wide open, my feeling is we help folk transition though.

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I should add that folks who want to licence the core libs and create proprietary apps can do so, similar to GPL devs developing GPL apps (also able to bypass API’s). so there is a way to bypass the API, but it would be expensive and miss out on the combined effort, it would be possible though. I imagine there would be more GPL devs than proprietary apps, but if there are proprietary apps we want them on our platforms at least. Then we want them to be open.

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Thanks David that effectively brings to a close, any speculation of separate paths onto the network from my perspective.

BDFL ?

Maybe consider Holocracy, whereby David Irvine writes the constitution for Maidsafe/ Safe Network and empowers everyone else to deliver.

A good constitution is infinitely better than the best despot.

  • Thomas B. Macaulay

Holacracy is a complete, packaged system for self-management in organizations. Holacracy replaces the traditional management hierarchy with a new peer-to-peer “operating system” that increases transparency, accountability, and organizational agility.

Through a transparent rule set and a tested meeting process, Holacracy allows businesses to distribute authority, empowering all employees to take a leadership role and make meaningful decisions.

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I think big companies and governments are forbidden to use SAFE in the first place due to a restriction that all data should be stored in a certain region of the world. As far as I know the a German company for example isn’t allowed to store all it’s data on a cloud in the US due to regulation. So a company from the US should provide datastorage for them in Europe. On SAFE all data is stored globally, there’s no way to store it on on region or continent.

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Yes this is very true, especially in the EU right now. I feel however, that these groups will have to start to realise that these rules apply to insecure whole data files. This is the problem they have and ties right into our core philosophy here of do not secure the server, secure the data itself. Then the problem “moves” from data readability (logical security) to one of retrievability. In retrievability a good solution is to spread the chunks far and wide plus replication.

It will be interesting to see how this philosophy leaks into the mainstream, I think it will take a while, but we (maidsafe and others) can benefit from translating this knowledge/philosophy to the companies and governments. Imagine going ot some gov and saying, “imagine you had no servers, then who would be able to attack you with cyber warfare?” It may be not only profitable, but from some perspective like EU where their goal is protect peoples data, it all may change to, we must store chunks worldwide.

Then take this philosophy to developing countries and tell them not only the above story, but perhaps more importantly these people do not need to develop costly and eco unfriendly data centers.

Of course none of us know and this is a step change so we all have loads of work to do, but we have an almighty compelling story for folk to consider.

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That’s a very interesting point, and one which I’ve vaguely wondered about myself. I just tried to find something relevant to data sovereignty and peer-to-peer in the EU GDPR which comes into force May 2018 but couldn’t see anything obvious. The fine details of GDPR are still being negotiated and it could be that P2P networks will emerge as some sort of edge case, but that’s pure speculation on my part. Anyway, I’ve just emailed a tech lawyer I know so we’ll see what they come back with.

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@chrisfostertv have you seen recent reports of holocracy failing?

People didn’t like it because it focuses on efficiency, destroys empathy in the workplace, people burn out or leave etc (rough summary from memory).

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