Why safecoin instead of Bitcoin?

your basic needs are this forum lol.

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Ahh communism. It looks great on paper
until you run out of someone else’s money (credit for that one goes to my step-dad)

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Creating a money (the monetary volume and the estimation of its «value» as an exchange tool) through the human lifetime expectency (like proposed in the TRM) instead of scarcity (Gold, Debt,
) is not incompatible with work, exchange, capitalization, and whatever.

And this is not a question about comunism versus capitalism but more a question of «what about the unemployement in an automated technological world» as discussed in this kind of articles.

My own basic needs are to fill my gut with something before being able to pull it out of my ass. :hankey:

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Safecoin is neither based on it’s usability as a medium of exchange nor it’s scarcity. It is based on the tangible ability to store data and is “backed” by the resources that are provided to do so.

This was the main argument against @Anders’ proposal to separate Safecoin from it’s backing (farmers’ contributions to the network) a week or so ago.

As far as the profitability of Safecoin - this is mainly meant to be utilized for network services, not as a strict medium of exchange. With personal revenue from the network (as opposed to other users) being slim to none, this does little to assuage the fears in those types of articles. (However, I would strongly advise you to listen to @dirvine’s view of the autonomous future in this Sovryn Tech podcast) This is another main argument, this time from the discussion of Pay the Producer and APP rewards.

As such, it is mainly to be used as a circulating credit with which to utilize the network. If used as a store of value, it has the chance to lose it’s usability and therefore cripple if not break the networks ability to perform it’s most basic function. (IMO)

lol i don’t think you’re doing it right

Well whatever Safecoin is based on, i’m hoping to get rich of this stuff :sunglasses: :rocket:

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Please don’t tell me you’re serious.

And at least say “wealthy”. Being rich is temporary. Being wealthy is persistant. It means that you at least have some financial intelligence. Otherwise, as soon as you’re rich, I’ll charm all of those lovely safecoins right out of your wallet into mine. I’ll be the wealthy one, and you’ll be the one who used to be rich. Hmm.

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Lets say a wealthy person wanted to screw with the lube of safenetwork that is safecoin and just for fun purchased every safecoin available on every exchange up to a ridiculous amount like $100 per safecoin and held for few months till the price once again found its equilibrium (the natural market value) then dumped all the coins at once driving the coin to a fraction of market value
 rinsed and repeated a few times. How would that affect safenetwork?

Where does this need to be rude & condescending to people come from

You’re not my supervisor!

Srsly tho dude-bro - peep @ ur PMz.

I don’t think many people would feel screwed if they managed to sell their MAID for 10000 times more than they paid for it.
Which is why it won’t happen: a wealthy person can’t be that stupid.

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One thing I’m confused about - the price of Safecoin is the basis of safecoin: the storage space. That would remain the same no matter at what price the guy bought.

If you’re talking about Safecoin <-> Bitcoin, the “fraction of market value” would be valued in bitcoins, which wouldn’t affect the network at all.

If you’re talking Safecoin <-> Farmers, that probably means that there will be more PUTs, because many people just bought cheap Safecoins and want to use them. That fills up the network (to an extent) driving the farming rewards higher, encouraging the newcomers to try their hand at farming.

By my logic above, it leads to mass adoption and higher farming rewards. Thank you Mr. Wealthy Nincompoop!

Now during the point when he’s "hodl"ing onto the Safecoins, there are less safecoins in circulation - which is a bad thing. Each Safecoin then that is being held onto by others becomes more valuable. Farming rewards would be reduced since there would be fewer PUTs and GETs would still be happening. There are also no newcomers, because there are no coins on the market.

This could be a real attack in the early days when there is a small market cap of the network. Luckily enough, due to the crowdsale, I doubt a serious attack like that could take place, as the network will already have value outside of itself.

And that’s all I’m talking about really - the value the network has outside of itself. Safecoin will continue to circulate within the network. It’s only when you start trading it outside of the network where you run into problems. Luckily enough, those problems are usually contained to outside of the network (and usually deal with Mr. Wealthy Nincompoop losing a lot of money)

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David Yamanaka wondered about a deflationary spiral scenario that could develop in the early days and I put my scenario about that here: https://safenetforum.org/t/network-speed-network-data-structures-forever-storage-economics-challenge-response-authentication/5221/25?u=janitor

In short, there will be very many coins and PUTs will be very expensive (if the price of MAID (SAFE) doesn’t drop dramatically).

Bitcoin is not replaceable, but it is scarce and its scarcity is largely physics-dependent. MAID (SAFE) is/will be much more dependent on social dynamics and economics (incentives) on the network.

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I am not saying there is a remote possibility this would happen, rather would this upset the functioning of data storage and retrieval and how.

But if everyone is a farmer
?