Unethical uses of the network and "safe police"

As far as I understand,

[quote]Maidsafe is building a free market engine where people have rights
guaranteed by technological means. It is the epitome of Capitalism. No
government taxation or regulation of transactions will be possible
because both buyer and seller will be able to remain anonymous, and the
units of currency will be untraceable. This anonymity will also make it
impossible/difficult for the government to capture, imprison, steal
from, and otherwise coerce its subjects. [/quote]

Naturally such thing will attract subjects that may cast a shadow on the whole project, like with Tor’s “Silk Way”.

Will there be any “distributed anonymous police” to prevent clearly unethical use of the network?

Can at least legitimate and bad use be separated on some level, so that striking down unwanted elements will minimize effect to the whole network.

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Everybody is free to use it as they want and to quote the kind of related answer given by David in the link below:

“What MaidSafe does is makes everyone on the planet on the same playing field in terms of security.”

https://safenetforum.org/t/will-maidsafe-just-become-a-haven-for-all-things-nasty-nefarious-that-currently-has-a-hard-time-hiding-on-the-current-internet/1155?u=melvin&source_topic_id=4020
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What’s “unethical” for you may be guiding principles for others.

For me, you’re an unwanted element because you’re looking for ways to violate one of core MaidSafe principles (“otherwise coerce its subjects”).
As far as I can tell, the principle prevents me from “striking you down”, but if you have an idea how we could do that ethically - do tell!

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This something that users should be able to easily accomplish for themselves (only) by themselves, and/or with the help of moderating services, etc. What is bad or good is a matter of too much opinion to make any sweeping handling, and the technology resists this on a sweeping level.

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The way in which society determines criminality is usually by percentage. If 10% of people are criminals then this means that 90% of people are not criminals. If we look at tor and silk road it is loaded with criminal activity. And this is simply because of percentage of the participants in tor. Mostly criminals; therefor, silk road has a ratio of criminal to practical user as 90% criminal and 10% legitimate user.

SAFE Network could be a network that is more closely to the societal ratio where mostly people are using it for very practical and also legitimate purposes.

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The way in which society determines criminality is usually by percentage. If 10% of people are criminals then this means that 90% of people are not criminals. If we look at tor and silk road it is loaded with criminal activity. And this is simply because of percentage of the participants in tor. Mostly criminals; therefor, silk road has a ratio of criminal to practical user as 90% criminal and 10% legitimate user.

SAFE Network could be a network that is more closely to the societal ratio where mostly people are using it for very practical and also legitimate purposes.

stats to be adjusted

I see MaidSAFE primarily as a security system…

Your files are only accessible to you and cannot be stolen hacked, spied upon or deleted.

This technology makes hacking nearly obsolete…

I think everyone has a right to security… You cannot have it both ways – either security holes exist for everybody or security holes exist for nobody… MaidSAFE chooses that later option…

If law enforcement needs access data, they ought to get a warrant and breach security one user at a time – And that is what they will have to do in the Post SAFE world, because that is the only way SAFE can be breached.

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Are you implying there is (or should be) a backdoor?

Free speech is not a crime, so I can’t really envision what possible need may “law” enforcement have to interfere here.
In the mid-term one may possibly host killer bot programs on MaidSafe that would be used to provide navigation and targeting to drones. Okay, that might qualify as illegal content, but it’s a bit far fetched.

I think he’s more likely to be advocating warrants (=front door) to enforce decryption by the owner, akin to a warrant to search property for evidence of a crime, which is widely accepted as reasonable investigative powers, not least because of the independence of the judiciary.

However, this independence is crucial and lacking in many jurisdictions, including of course the US which appears to have a particularly corrupt judiciary.

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Most folks have a back door taped to the bottom of a drawer or on a sticky note taped to the side of their monitor with Username password etc… They also may be compelled to divulge via force or threat…

There will not be a way to hack Maidsafe aside from getting the credentials in a search warrant, or brute force password cracking… Doing this on a user level would be hard -but it would be a lot more doable than cracking the whole thing.

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I think there should be at least rules like in I2P. The rules are about what to be indexed by official indexer and accessible from official site.

This forces all “unethical” things to be underground. Penalty for violating rules is exclusion from registries, search engines and so on. “Black” things should not be advertised and be accessible only if one knows the link.

That would require somebody to know what is on the network. Not even the network knows what is on the network.

There are no rules. SAFE is outside the jurisdiction of any government, that is really the whole point. All that the network does is transfer meaningless gibberish from one place to another. They clients are the ones that assemble the gibberish… Goverments can do whatever they would like, but SAFE is intentioaly designed not to have handles for governments to pull.

In short, unless you ban transmission of random ones and zeros, you cannot stop SAFE.

It is designed to defeat the Great Firewall of China, and prevent oppression. It is Censorship proof, and I don’t think the developers are going to re-engineer censorship back in. They have more important tasks to tackle.

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What is the very first page new users expected to see on the SafeNet?

Probably some “Welcome to SafeNet, new user.” home page with index of other apps and resources, search and so on. Users should be able to add links to their content there, but with a policy.

This first page is a “face” of SafeNet and it can obviously enfore content policy. “Bad” content can still be in the network, but not immediately advertised to new users.

Things new users should be able to immediately navigate to, official “SafeMaid-endorsed”, should be free from disrupting content.

Probably a lot like your chrome browser.

It will not be like AOL.

And there will be no ‘SAFEnet’ organization to decide what to endorse or not. SAFEnet will be a distributed decentralized software program, like Bitcoin or Bittorrent. It will be run by everyone and by nobody, with no central control…

If there where centralized control it would inevitably be corrupted, thus the software is built without. There will be no servers to raid, nobody to arrest, nobody who can bring the system down. Once it is in the wild it will be a wild beast…

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Nothing to stop you from creating your own portal though – If you want to build it, go for it… It will be a layer on top of SAFE though – optional, and not built into the core protocol

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If you think there should be a traffic cop to judge what is good and appropriate, you are welcome to be one and acquire subscribers who will access the network only to data you have pre-judged. I’m certain there will be access to many such services. Those that provide what people want, will prosper.

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great minds think alike, heh, @jreighley?

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Some parts are in Dutch, but this is what SAFE does for the world. Give people SAFEmoney and possibilities to be FREE&SAVE.

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What is the very first page new users expected to see on the SafeNet?

As far as I understood it after someone logs in to the SafeNet they only can see a new drive mounted to their system. That’s all.

It will really depend which app you use. We are providing the launcher which will login to an apps screen on your local computer. From there you will launch drives, web pages etc. even run traditional apps across the SAFE network. One app would be a dropbox type thing where you would see a drive, plus wallet and messaging.

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