Erm, sorry, but not sure either if Safe can prevent a government to shut down the infrastructure.
if mesh network architecture goes massive and people own it… The government will have to go from house to house to stop it 
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Indeed , I am a fierce advocate for mesh networks too, but I don’t think Safe provides this. If I am correct, Safe only lives on top of the underlying infrastructure, whatever it is. So we could say " this would not have happened with a massive mesh network" , but not " this would not have happened with Safe"
I think it is important not to give the false impression that Safe can resolve issues , which in fact it can’t.
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In my opinion, the main drawback of mesh networks is that they need access to the external Internet (ie access to the servers on which are the sites, etc.) Mesh network + the SAFE network is another thing. Even if it is detached from the world, it will continue to function locally…
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Lolol
What an irony.
In any case, I wish if the email about MAID being delisted was a fake…
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SAFE is distributed. Every phone, every computer, every wifi connection and cell tower is the inferstructure. Moreover people could connect node to node, phone to phone to laptop via bluetooth if they really wanted to or set up a few routers and connect directly. It would be VERY difficult to kill SAFE entirely and even harder to kill a local network using the SAFE protocols. Even if one shut down the electricity grid for a given area users could, over time, invest in solar panels etc to generate their own power. But essentially you’d have to kick tech levels back several centuries just to make things difficult for SAFE.
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If SAFE doesn’t have mesh networking capabilities I think it probably will very quickly. And odds are it could be paired with other established mesh networking technologies like Project Hyberia.
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If I remember correctly, somewhere farther down the pipeline I think @dirvine was envisioning specialized SafeNetwork hardware being sold, which could enable a mesh network.
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Musk doesn’t seem like the kind.
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That’s great but if it requires special hardware wouldn’t that mean that would inhibit the growth of said mesh? Part of the power of SAFE is it utilizes tech that’s already ubititous and that people already have.
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Absolutely. Unfortunately the already existing and widely available technology is not suited for large mesh networking in many cases. As long as every node is in range for a consumer wifi interface, there are possibilities to create a small mesh network island. But as soon as you go past a certain distance, say a few hundred meters , you need at least another antenna, and in many cases a pair of fixed high gain antennas, a dedicated wire , or optical systems to make the link. In any other configuration you will need to piggyback on an existing network ( ie : the internet ) to connect islands together.
So if you really want to create a regional/ nation wide mesh network that does not rely on existing internet infrastructure, you will have to deploy additional hardware, which is absolutely not consumer grade stuff, and requires specific knowledge and craftsmanship to be installed and, maintained and operated. In many countries, such as mine, you will hit a regulation wall when it comes to transmit high amounts of multiple individual’s data, as you then become an ISP, be it commercial or not. In other cases you may hit direct competition with licensed cable and wireless operators, who may very possibly not like the joke.
I am under the impression that there is confusion about what mesh networks are, and how they can be deployed . The term actually describes a hardware, material configuration of communication infrastructure, and they are a complex thing to put together at large scale. There are great exemples of such community operated networks, by the way, I am thinking of Spanish examples in particular, so it can indeed be done.
This being said, I would rather see a widely deployed mesh network that uses low level Safe instructions to manage , update and regulate its own routers and beam nodes , instead of what we have now.
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These space networks are gonna be interesting. If they allow direct connections (no NAT) then perhaps they can be what mesh wished. I mean with SAFE where we don’t care who monitors traffic nearly as much as we need to worry about current networking then SAFE can sanitise those satellite networks and make them safe to use. I think this year is gonna be very interesting as these things develop as well as SAFE develops.
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The power to say no for everyone:
Thinking of Buffet defining what he thought was different about billionaires. He said it was because they said “no” to almost everything.
The first principle of SAFE is freedom. If you can’t say no, you’re not free.
I think the lovely accent of the person narrating this clip would fit right it with this site. Even the graphics look is kind of familiar. Secure Access For Everyone. The Power To Say No For Everyone.
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Fair point
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What if you used SDR and radio signals that had been retired (like the old analog TV signals). There’s also LiFi if you could get line of sight set up. And what if you had a whole bunch of little hops as opposed to a couple big ones? That is instead of commercial grade that transmitted miles and miles away or whatever what if one stuck with just a couple hundred feet or something and had little hops in “neighbourhood” sized interconnected areas and groups of low powered nodes? So the nodes wouldn’t transmit very far but you could have a huge swarm of them all over the place.
Yet another reason we need SAFE. Screw the banking cartels. Need crypto any idiot can use without the excessive transfer fees of bitcoin.
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There are a couple of mesh networking projects I know of that do just that, one being https://qaul.net/. May be discussions to be had further down the line.
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I was trying to explain that this would result in small mesh network islands where the distances are short enough to allow short hops, and nothing in between the islands. In the countryside, there is not enough density to allow short hops, and you need to rely on high bandwitdh, very directional beams ,or cables, to connect the high density islands ( ie, cities ). Oceans and desertic places are worse.
In my country, the old analog tv bands are absolutely not free for use, and you would need a licence to operate there. I doubt the commercial network operators would let community driven networks enter the competition without a hard fight.
Again I am not saying mesh networks are not a good thing. I’m pointing out the fact that it is difficult to cover low density areas with consumer equipment.
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