It’s a massive and I believe wrong assumption to say the Safe Harbour ruling would affect commercial use of SAFEnetwork by US companies, because the only reason it has been made is that it was deemed not to protect EU citizens data from the unfettered surveillance taking place in the USA.
Providing a company can demonstrate that the data is safe from that, there are EU regulations that will continue to allow transfer.
So please @janitor, back up your claims before continuing to repeat this apparent nonsense.
@happybeing I’d like to second that. If one is using SAFE it seems like the intent behind the EU provisions would be met in spirit if not in letter. But the UK (thankfully at the moment does not speak for all of the EU) will still have issues.
My experience tells me a company will not store data with a new provider until legally challenged and then look for ways to demonstrate it’s okay.
So yes, provided the solution provider demonstrate it’s okay, they will use it. But not before that.
Can you name one example where a storage technology was used to store personal data without it having passed 3rd party security audits or having several years of successful use in the field?
I won’t even mention the usual requirements (compliance, security auditing, etc) that most Fortune 1000 (“public”) companies have to perform.
You come up empty again. If you doubt the remaining provisions are adequate, go argue that with the big name US corporations who’ve said they are not worried about the Safe Harbour rulings because they are.
This is in my wheelhouse. I was just on the phone yesterday with a great friend of mine. He works with Fortune 100 companies and helps them develop and operate mission critical OSS / BSS systems.
I introduced him to Maidsafe a few months ago. Since doing so, he and his team are re-evaluating *everything.
I hope you all realize the extent of the disruptive elements that the Safe Network will rain down on all on-going corporate software projects.
I love that and sincerely hope you’re right. The damn MIS is the very heart and soul of the corporate engine of opression. There is more than MIS at issue in the corporate software set but corporates are software entities and ultimately a huge waste of human potential and opportunity. SAFE is a new approach to the network but also human organization- well really old decentralized and flat.
I really wish I know where you pull out all of these supposed “facts”
You are half right – IT can be a tumor.
But at the peril of the companies that don’t keep it in check. Many companies are wise enough to “Keep it simple stupid”… That is what the open source movement aims to allow… And there are plenty of big companies on board with the open source route – And if SAFE works there is a good chance those companies will follow their habit of using Apache and mysql over microsoft and oracle.
We’ve talked many times about my opinion that top down is unstable, unsustainable and unethical and how I think corporate government or business is the problem, that corporate i.e., power hierarchy as opposed to developmental hierarchy is the problem but among two systems that are deficient and insufficient why I think that for instance the Scandinavian model of socialism is infinitely superior to Capitalism. Its like your difference in corps that work better and those that can’t work for long.
Capitalism is about elevating the value of capital through debt. It means that people have to go into a situation where they don’t have enough money to live a good life which means they go into debt which subjects them to control and being corrupted. This is the point of Capitalism and it about compensation levels that are too low in order to induce debt and power for a capitalist class. Its extractive to the core, it mines its own people, consumes them, its murder.
Scandinavian Style Socialism creates the opposite situation and guarantees as part of the social contract this condition: I don’t need your money I will always no matter what I do have enough of my own. It means you can’t coerce people over money or anything else. It means people don’t over value money (like dogs starved for food) so they don’t mind taxes. It tells the rich: your money is no good here. It means an entire society that is free instead of only the rich. Capitalism is a system if slavery, that is its point. S. style socialism is a system of freedom and it shows on every measure of societal health across the historical record. But its still not going to be as good as a system that also replaces every corporation with cooperatives and gets rid of puppet media etc.
Did you watch “office space” and diagnosis corporate america to run like that?
Because that is the pattern. You make a broad denunciation of something like “MIS is the very heart and soul of the corporate engine of oppression” With zero documentation, zero examples, and as far as I can discern, zero experience working within a corporate environment, let alone enough of them to build a representative sample. You believe a lot of hyperbole to be true, but most of it only hyperbole…
I agree that MIS can get out of control. I see that as an opportunity, not a problem. There is a company in my industry that employs 15 people to accomplish the same tasks that myself and a colleague do for 21 of their competitors. The choices are keep it simple, or hire 7 programmers, have them work for 7 years, with the software requirements needing to be revised every 6… There is an IT treadmill that a lot of companies are lured into climbing on.
You cite the 1 fat cat as the norm – I cite them as the exception. Why? Because I counted and it is 21-1 for those favoring the lean solution. How did you do you math to be so certain about what you proclaim?
Anyway, SAFE will be used – Perhaps in moderation, perhaps with slow adoption, but industry does like cheap solutions. They are not shy about open source solutions. A lot of the data that is lost at great expense is not really necessary… (Home Depot doesn’t need to keep my credit card and customer information to do business with me, it is just handy) If they can store it safely with SAFE, they will do it, or they will keep getting sued for millions, Billions and eventually tens of billions… The current system is broken, and nobody’s ‘culture’ is going to prevent them from solving real, expensive problems.
