Target Groups for Early Adoption

NNTP servers break up posts into groups (>100,000 groups on the good servers). The servers transfer all posts between each other and if the server carries the group then it adds the posts to that group. Consider them threads that go on and on and on. The servers are independent of each other and each independent server can actually be made up of multiple machines to carry the load.

Binary groups are those where big posts (eg 1/3 MB) are allowed. A file is broken up into smaller chunks, encoded into text form so that they can be posted. The size of a post is limited and it takes many posts to make up a binary file. Now for really big files people break them up into smaller files using RAR (compress and break file up so it can be recombined). So a large media file >1GB would potentially be posted as many thousands of these encoded textual posts. People use programs to do the work to d/l and recombine these back into at least the individual rar files. Then the rar files are recombined into the original file using that d/l program OR using RAR.

the group (on the NNTP servers) “alt.binaries.drwho” is a group that discusses all things about Doctor Who and many who access the group also are sharing media files. Some of which I am sure the BBC would nt be happy about and others they are OK with being shared.

I mentioned that group as it is one where the visitors do read text posts and might be willing to consider the alternative source of their Dr Who media.

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Also may I also mention pretty much everyone in Canada will want SAFE given the pasing of bill C-51.

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I have no idea but after the network is stable, there is something like “.torrent” content to be downloaded and download speeds are not terrible we should promote this feature as aggressive as possible :smile:

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Law in its current definition is a centralised concept and will be made progressively obsolete by the inevitable drift towards decentralisation.

Of course, the current institutions will fight this all the way. Every tool of propaganda will be brought forth. They will lose though and in time we will look upon their activities as futile.

Ordering compliance will fade and negotiating for agreement will become prevalent. It will be the only way decentralised societies will remain civilised.

This doesn’t make sell of safe net any easier, but understand that we are on the side of the future. They are on the side of the past. They need to catch up.

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Question: Assuming you’re joe sixpack, i.e.law-abiding and not interested in exerting effort, which of these places would you download porn from? A site hosted on a network the media has pointed out is loaded with kiddy porn, or a site hosted on googlenet, which is reported by the media to algorithmically filter out out everything illegal (and threatening to government)?

Law firms need to keep certain documents forever, and some of those can be digitized.

Also police departments across the US are moving to use body cameras. Like any gov’t project, big money is sloshing around for systems to archive/manage the footage.

SAFEnet seems an appropriate application for each. And both would earn good PR.

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I would argue Joe Sixpack is too stupid to be our target audience in the first place as he wouldn’t understand the value of not watching TV, the difference between government propaganda and reality or even understand why you would need to keep your data safe in the first place. Let the lemmings run over the cliff. I say who we should be concerned with is those who see that there is a cliff and are trying to avoid it.

That being said: On internet 1.0 you have to pay to download porn. On internet 2.0 not only is downloading porn free but you get paid for devoting idle computer resources to the network. For Joe Sixpack who just wants to go on a social network, look at cat pictures and watch porn THAT’S A GOOD DEAL! “You mean they’ll pay me to just let my computer sit there and do nothing?” “Yep that’s pretty much it.” “Wow awesome! And how much will it’ll cost me to download a TB of porn?” “Nothing.” “Duuuude! Sign me up.”

Also I’d argue that Joe Sixpack ISN’T law abiding and most people (at least in the states and a growing number in Canada) don’t trust their government. So the fact google filters out everything “illegal” that isn’t nessesarily an asset to Joe Sixpack. It’s only an asset to those who are ignorant, stupid and socially engineered to believe the state line.

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The perspective on criminal in this thread is very West oriented. Let’s think about who is criminal in the Middle East, Russia or Far East.

For example in many Islam dominated countries it is criminal to have sex with anyone other than your wife/husband. So one would imagine that there is a large market of people who would pay for a dating website that protects their privacy without question.

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VERY good point there. Morality and legality is subjective.

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Love it! There it is. Thats the new “promotional” SAFE Network tagline. “Duuuude! Sign Me Up” Need a logo… who can do a logo, then need artwork for T-Shirts… Ill buy 10 Tshirts for giveaways for @fergish LTB or MAID website who can do the T-Shirts?

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Media production and distribution.
Broadcast/streaming, TV/film and advertising people. This is the industry I make my living in.
In general, there are modern high horsepower desktops everywhere, and in larger/more established facilities, they’re connected to servers in machine rooms. Plus, they have pretty fat/fast pipes for data in/out, that being the style of the day versus actual media like tapes/DVDs etc. and as far as distribution…as I see it, it’s all basically in place in an industry that would adopt it quickly and integrate it easily into their existing workflow/income stream and backup routine.

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Thanks @heysoundude Sounds like a match MAID in heaven. I think you’re a top contender for the “lets get to know this guy” category.

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I’ll bow out of this topic since I’m so back and forth on the importance of this topic. I

I would consider media production and distribution a great goal to have in mind, but wouldn’t the lack of people in the beginning be a huge put off?

If only 100,000 people are on the network , and you have a already super large audience of 20-30million + unique views a month on the normal web, wouldn’t that prevent you from going head first into something that is new.

Same goes for anything that has its main value derived by the sheer number of views of their content . while they would be a huge benefit to the safenetwork, i would of considered these types of groups to not be any of the first to jump onto the network , purely because the numbers and audience simply wont be there to begin with.

To the main point of the Thread.

Crypto currencies would be idea target groups i think it may of been said already, you could literally host every single alt coin blockchain securely on maidsafe.

Hosting any coin would be free advertising to anyone invested or regularly using that coin, they are the types of people that would find farming for coins very interesting, a much higher % would be interested than say compared to other random groups of people.

Any number of coin exchanges or perhaps gambling websites (althou it could be argued it would be pointless because of the ability to greatly improve on the decentralized nature of both of those things and that they would be completely different to how they are now because of that)

Would it be possible to create mining pools hosted on the safenetwork? a very common problem with mining pools is people ddos attacking said mining pools, allowing a competing mining pool to get dominance in the early stages of mining .

Schools, hacker groups (in the sense of makers rather than crackers), universities & college departments with a relevant interest (security, encryption, networking, p2p), privacy & civil liberties groups, anyone wanting to communicate securely (journalists, lawyers, health services, accountants)… gosh there are loads :slight_smile:

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Gohan, I think you need to go back to the first question and the title of this thread. It’s about target groups of early adopters to test the SAFE net. As far as needing to protect Copyrighted and IP material, and store it and move it around and distribute it, the group I proposed do that daily NOW with all/most of the tools that are required. It seems to me a perfect fit. You’re getting somewhat ahead of things here…your vision, enthusiasm, passion and forward thinking are no doubt appreciated, but let’s take things a step at a time.

Sorry i don’t understand what you mean exactly , i was genuinely asking a question on the matter, A media company is usually valued and gains its profits and values off of a large customer base, when the network is in early adopter stage , would it be profitable or have enough users on it to interest big media types or interests.

This is the first step, the incentive of particular groups joining the network and you said it is your area of expertise , i was inquiring as to if it was the right target group for early adoption , when users are at the lowest they will ever be , or when the network is far more populated, having a wider audience and earning them more money. also perhaps more detailed reasoning behind why media types would be interested .

edit : oooohhhh never mind, do you mean just them using their computers to support the network? sorry i had contribution of content stuck in my head

Yes, content creators, production houses. their computer/data infrastructure.
when the network and workflow is proven to be stable/viable, then the monification from distribution channels to content consumers can be sorted, right?
(and then think about social media integration with everyone instagramming and youtubing from their tablets and smartphones…right?)

Check this story that came in one of my industry newsfeeds:

The quote from the Discovery CEO works to support my premise/thesis.