Strategic Alliances?

I’m not following it that well, but I’ve read an article a while back that some are concerned that the big companies have gained too much influence in The Linux Foundation.
Here a more recent article:

Read that? I’ve experienced it. Quite a few times I’ve had issues loading websites with firefox but if I switch to say chrome it loads fine.

https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2017/08/08/mozilla-information-trust-initiative-building-movement-fight-misinformation-online/

So yeah I don’t really care how you define “misinformation” or “fake news” but I don’t support a corporation that sees fit to censor people at the web browser level.

But if you want an article on it here.
https://www.activistpost.com/2017/08/mozilla-joins-george-soross-efforts-launching-strike-fake-news.html

https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2017/08/08/mozilla-information-trust-initiative-building-movement-fight-misinformation-online/

I’m not here to debate what or what is not “fake news” but rather to point out your web browser shouldn’t decide for you what you view on the web.

It is possible they have changed or decided not to implement this but the fact they even considered making this a thing is very disturbing.

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David (@Blindsite2k),

Thanks for your comments. These sound like promising suggestions…

Your perception of Mozilla is at odds with what I have experienced and I think there is room under the SAFE Net umbrella for those who might have what can be labelled as “left” ideas as well as those with a more libertarian bent. As has been discussed elsewhere, the network itself needs to be content agnostic but that doesn’t mean there isn’t room at the application level for some kind of content moderation. The Mozilla IRL podcast produced an excellent program on that topic a few months ago. It is a chilling reminder of the complexities of the issue which might well be worth exploring in another thread (say the requirements specification stage of a true public discussion application to replace Facebook :smirk: ?)

Let me repeat that the goal of my post was to encourage systematic thinking in terms of strategic opportunities and challenges. In any given case, we need to assess how SAFE can either work with a particular organization or technology or if we need to adapt to what is emerging from these externals sources.

Regards,

David Baril (@dpbaril)

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Wow, I found this video:

The presenter says that Solid opens up the data on the Web to be used programmatically by computers instead of the usual user interface Web.

That means that Solid could be used as a BRIDGE between the Web and SAFE!

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Here another article about the Linux Foundation also having its problems:

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SAFE team should forge a partnership alliance ‘formally’ with SOLID team, Blockstack and BlockStream. All 3 are the futuristic, true believers in decentralization. SAFE can be the storage layer for all of the above.

Start the discussions now and formalize it upon beta release. This will also give SAFE team an opportunity to fine tune some of of the identification solutions (SAFE ID etc) to be built as interoperable solutions with other global standards.

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Any thoughts on the above - SAFE team?

Recent tweet from Scotland @ codeclub prompting a thought… that reaching out to the next generation could help … if you can sell the idea of how to use SAFE to children, then some adults might understand too.

Codeclub apparently part of @ Raspberry_pi and with international reach.

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How about starting a “Safe Alliance” with a carefully worded manifesto, one that lines up with the goals of the Safe Network? It would be easier to filter who could join but also who needs to be asked to leave.

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I am also leery of Mozilla, although I think pursuing a partnership is worth the risk, simply because of the name recognition. It would legitimize SAFE in many circles. I would also throw out the EFF (Electronic Frontier Foundation) as an option.

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I have also recently become aware of IPFS (InterPlanetary File System) and found several threads here on the SAFEnet forum discussing the overlaps and differences between IPFS and SAFE.

The key takeaway I got from those threads is that while they have similar objectives, IPFS is an incremental, ad-hoc approach built on existing Clearnet technology vs the get-it-right-from-first principles / “boil the ocean” / birthing-the-whole-elephant approach taken by SAFE.

Once again, I was impressed with the collaborative, non-defensive stance taken by the SAFE community, the gist of which is, “let’s see what we can learn from IPFS but we still believe in our approach.” Although I generally favour incremental development over re-inventing the wheel (to continue mixing metaphors), perhaps the fundamental principles of SAFE are so radically at odds with the existing technology that a major break is justified. My concern is that we may end up with a BETA vs VHS situation where SAFE is the best solution but some other, more opportunistic, good-enough solution becomes the standard.

That said, I also watched the video of @happybeing’s DevCon talk Supercharging the SAFE Network with Project Solid which is an perfect example of collaborative work with related projects.

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lol

More like VHS v DVD…

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Although not really a strategic alliance, it would also be interesting to reach out to Joe Rogan and/or Russell Brand about being on their podcasts. Both have a slew of not very well known people on their shows to talk about a myriad of topics and have huge audiences. I’m sure if David would present himself as a guy who started a crypto project before Bitcoin even existed, and was previously in the Top 10, it could get some interest from them. Both of them are also inclined to tacitly promote their guests and their agendas if they happen to agree with the overall concept.

Both are highly interested in topics concerning personal freedom, evolving society, and technology. Maidsafe could also garner interest by calling out Peter Schiff on his anti-crypto stance. Rogan loves to host guests that debate across his shows.

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I think Bitcoin will rule and these 2 firms are best known for building solutions around it. Was wondering if a collaboration with them (as Safe team feels appropriate based on timing of beta release) for SAFENET to become the go to storage layer for any Apps developed on tools provided by these firms, that will be awesome for SAFE network. The mission/vision to build safe, decentralized internet and solutions is common amongst all of the 3 companies (blockstanck, Blockstream and Safenet). SAFE network is blockchain less but can certainly be the storage partner for these entities.

I totally support the idea of @dirvine making a guest appearance on JRE if the opportunity ever presents itself. That would be absolutely incredible for the cause.

Not sure if this is still active? https://joeroganpodcast.wordpress.com/guest-request/

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Hey you read my mind :sweat_smile:

I think though he would need to read up on the network first. From what I’ve seen of his interviews he tends to know a fair amount about the subject matter prior to the interview and prides himself for doing his research. In other words there would need to be some back n forth prior to the interview so he is aware of what it is all about and how it affects people & for example his streaming.

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Here’s one - they’ve even got the name sorted! :joy:

https://esrc.ukri.org/funding/funding-opportunities/the-safepod-network-call-for-safepod-applications/

Seriously though, providing secure access to datasets for academics is a good use case for SAFE.

I think I read a headline yesterday that Sir Tim Berners Lee has partnered with Blockstack. Does that open up potential for Maidsafe to partner with Blockstack as well. I’ve been pitching this for ‘soooooooo’ long. How great would it be for SAFE to become the fully integrated and go to storage layer for SOLID and Blockstack.

I know we need to wait for beta and a fully functional product but perhaps initial discussions could begin on this front. This will also allow the experts at Blockstack review SAFE and provide honest feedback for SAFE team to collectively work towards a great solution/final product. Thoughts?

Doesn’t look like anything new has happened, unless I’m missing something. TBL signed up to Blockstack last year and tweeted about it, and for some reason they’re rehashing the story on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJ4bs6vaoKw