Satoshi revealed

Not very well I might add. Sounded like I support CW as SN and all your calls for proof are wrong.

Bit like the conspiracy nut who is so deep in their conspiracy that they say things like "forget the facts you’ve heard here is the real situation. Fact is if he cannot sign a message then he has lost his proof. Doesn’t matter if he is SN or not, he hasn’t got verifiable evidence that he might be SN. Doesn’t matter if humans are misguided by crypto which seems to be the jist of the writer’s claim to “forget the facts”. Maths is still maths

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From that post is linked the article:

Logical Fallacies in the Hunt for Satoshi

The latest Bitcoin saga surrounding Craig Wright is a meta-modernist masterpiece.

Meta-modernism, made famous by its most famous practitioner Shia Labeouf, is an intellectual movement that bridges the vast chasm between the genuine, trustworthy authenticity we all seek and the lies we constantly face from cynical corporate PR departments and the misleading breadcrumbs planted by guerilla marketers. It is “the mercurial condition between and beyond irony and sincerity, naivety and knowingness, relativism and truth, optimism and doubt, in pursuit of a plurality of disparate and elusive horizons.” After a good meta-modernist performance, you should be left at the edge of your seat, not knowing whether you should voice the strong feelings someone evoked in the deepest recesses of your soul, or whether you were thoroughly had.

Let me provide a theater guide to the saga that has been unfolding so far, because we’re all being manipulated. And the current manipulation has us lowering our standard of proof for Satoshi. On our current trajectory, we might find ourselves watching the Satoshi coins move, yet be unable to tell who exactly Satoshi is.

So, let’s approach the topic as a scientist. I met Craig Wright online and had various interactions with both him and people who work for him. I have also exchanged messages with Gavin Andresen about how he vetted Craig Wright. While I make use of these sources below, what follows is simple logic, a rational person’s approach from first principles.

The Big Trap

We do not know if Craig Wright is or is not Satoshi. Pieces like this one, and expert reports like this one are deeply flawed. They are clearly overreaching and violating the most essential rules of logic.

If you have no evidence that some statement S is true, it doesn’t mean that the opposite of S is the truth. You have no idea if the person writing these words is Sirer; that does not mean I am not Sirer. A negative statement is harder to follow but leads to a more stark result: Ted Cruz has provided no proof that he is not the Zodiac Killer; that doesn’t mean that he is the Zodiac Killer.

Craig Wright has certainly not furnished proof of being Satoshi. I characterized the error behind Craig Wright’s latest claims carefully, and so have others, but the media coverage has focused on more sensational titles that say “Craig Wright Is Not Satoshi.” If you bought into that argument, you’ve made the first illogical conclusion, and you are exactly where Craig wants you to be in his metamodernist play.

Be wary of an emotional reaction which lowers your standard of proof. If your reaction to the preceding point is “but it is so easy to provide proof of Satoshi, just sign with the key from the genesis block, or move a Satoshi from the first mined block” then you have been had. You just lowered your standard of proof.

Let’s look at Craig’s behavior so far, and get back to this point.

Craig Wright’s Posts

Craig Wright’s latest post was deliberately misleading. Craig Wright’s blog post had three errors in it. And it was clear as day to me that two of the errors in Craig’s scripts were planted on purpose.

The error where he used an “&” instead of “&&” was an elementary one, and it may not have affected the correctness of the script anyway, as the first command might have finished executing by the time the shell set up and executed the second one.

The second error, where an environment variable named “signiture” could have been used to replace the signature file was also misleading, but it, too, could not have caused a problem. No matter which signature file is provided, it was being verified against the correct public key, most likely owned by Satoshi.

Misdirection is a standard trick of the stage magician – you move your left hand in a suggestive way to direct the audience while you pawn the coin (yes, the coin) with your right. And I thought he inserted those two errors purposefully, in order to take attention away from two other, much bigger problems (1) he was signing an incorrect hash, and (2) he was using a key from block 9, which does not as definitively identify Satoshi as block 1.

I now believe I was wrong.

Craig Wright’s entire first post was an exercise in misdirection. Craig is playing a far better game than most realize. He has had at least 6 months, perhaps years, to prepare for it.

The steady stream of posts, carefully prepared in advance, indicate that he is in command of the performance so far. In order to not fall prey to further manipulation that is sure to come, we need to be on top of our game.

How to Authenticate

Authentication requires multiple factors. Some people have said that moving an early coin from the first few blocks is sufficient proof of Satoshi. These people do not understand the basics of user authentication, something taught to every undergraduate in any semi-competent computer science program. Such people certainly cannot be trusted with “persona authentication,” a much harder problem that we face when identifying Satoshi.

Among such people is Dan Kaminsky, who is a special case because, for reasons no one understands that possibly have to do with the sheer volume of low value content he produces, has built up a large following. When his name came up at a dinner table at the Financial Cryptography conference, the entire table of practicing cryptographers agreed that the one word to describe him was daft. When we came up with Selfish Mining, he had an extended Twitter conversation with me where he not only failed to understand the fundamental result that relates to consensus or even the superficial attack, he even failed to write a correct 30-line program that simulated Bitcoin mining. His advice is absolutely terrible, and there is evidence that it leads to mental fog.

No sane professional would advise a single method for authenticating high-value users. We all log into our measly bank accounts using a password and a second PIN, yet a single key is supposed to vet Satoshi? No, the burden of proof is much higher.

Technical Factors

The technical factors for identifying Satoshi span bitcoin keys, PGP key, and account passwords. We need to cover multiple factors because any one factor may be compromised. Satoshi is not super-human, and we have already seen some people who ought to know better, such as DPR, exercise poor operational security.

It is entirely possible for Satoshi’s machine(s) to be compromised.

It is entirely possible that the random number generator Satoshi used circa 2009 suffered from weaknesses and has been reverse engineered.

It is entirely possible that Craig Wright’s “supercomputer,” if it existed, was used on a monomaniacal quest to crack a Satoshi key.

It is entirely possible, perhaps even likely, that the real Satoshi gave some of his keys to Craig Wright.

This is why people use multi-factor authentication, where the different authentication modalities have different fates and different failure modes.

Social Factors for Persona Authentication

The task of identifying Satoshi goes far beyond user authentication. Satoshi is not Anonymous#4356365 on a forum. He is not trying to edit an old post. And more importantly, we, the public at large, are not a computer system, narrowly tasked with making a simple access control decision. What is at stake is larger than the $500M in coins thought to belong to Satoshi: intellectual standing and social status far in excess of any figure that can be captured with a dollar sign.

Critically, having access to Satoshi’s funds is not the same thing as being Satoshi. The problem here is broader, less like user authentication in a computer system, and more like unveiling the true identity of the pseudonymous author of a book. This problem of “persona authentication” is complicated, as it necessarily relies on human factors.

Can a Satoshi claimant recall unique facts about interactions he/she has had with others?

Can a Satoshi claimant accurately account for the time he/she spent developing Bitcoin?

Can a Satoshi claimant convince others that he/she possesses the technical know how to be Satoshi?

These are the real questions. Anyone who cannot answer them will have failed to resolve the Satoshi mystery, even if they collect the coins.

The bar is even higher for Craig Wright. He needs to answer one additional question that other people do not: why did he previously forge evidence of being Satoshi? Why did he use forged, backdated PGP keys? Surely, the real Satoshi would have had no need to do such a thing.

A satisfying return of Satoshi needs to also answer the question “Why Now?”. While Satoshi is under no obligation to answer this question, everyone will be wondering why Satoshi wanted to be anonymous for so long, and why he decided to pierce the veil of anonymity that he cultivated. Recall that Satoshi did not sell a single coin even when his fortunes were in the $1B range. Why would someone who showed that kind of willpower now change his mind?

Avoiding Impossible Barriers

On the flipside, we cannot load onto the Satoshi persona our aspirational values. People expect a lot from their heroes. Bob Dylan was the voice of a generation, expected to play heartfelt protest songs on an acoustic guitar. When he went electric, people called him Judas.

The narrative around Satoshi has similarly unrealistic expectations. Marc Andreessen and others have repeatedly (and falsely) claimed that Satoshi did what computer scientists thought was impossible, so people expect a genius. Others expect a libertarian savior, a modern day John Galt. And many expect him to be a personal paragon of virtue.

So it is difficult to accept, on these grounds alone, that someone with a history of trouble with tax authorities, of forging support letters from SGI, of writing meandering, repetitive, confused papers could be the author of Bitcoin. I personally have worked very hard not to fall into this trap when I wrote about how to spot Satoshi.

And that is what Craig Wright is saying here, when he says he created Craig Wright, and that we created Satoshi. That he is firmly rooted in reality, and that we’re living in a fantasy world. On this narrow topic, I have to admit that he is exactly right.

Social authentication is not the same as social acceptance. We need to apply strict, narrow criteria when performing social authentication. While we do need to perform persona authentication, and while this necessarily requires social authentication, we need to apply strict, narrow criteria to this process. Personal values, trouble with the law, likeability, and other unrelated issues must not creep into this process. Whether we like someone, whether we accept someone as fulfilling our image of a persona we created, has nothing to do with whether they are that persona.

The narrow questions are simple: (1) Did he have the knowledge, the background and the time to develop Bitcoin? (2) Does he remember unique details of his interactions with various early adopters?

Gavin Andresen’s social authentication carries a lot of weight. And that is the implicit reason why Craig Wright’s latest claim to Satoshi’s crown caught public attention: people assumed Gavin had vetted Satoshi using multiple factors. Yet when I asked Gavin about how he certified Wright, he described the process he used:

It is possible I was tricked, but it wouldn’t be an eclipse/hijack of the chain-- I brought a list of the first 100 block’s keys with me and verified the public key against that list. That was the only connection to the chain.

A hijack of the wifi used to download Electrum is possible; if we were running an Electrum that reported ‘verified’ for any message ending with ‘CSW’ and not verified for anything else that would fit what happened. I didn’t bring checksums of Electrum downloads with me.
First of all, this falsifies one potential hypothesis, that Craig Wright spent the last six months cranking away on producing an alternative, lower-difficulty blockchain, designed to fool anyone who would use an SPV client to check the keys. Gavin did the right thing by bringing in a printout of the required keys.

Second, it leaves open the possibility that the copy of the Electrum software he downloaded was doctored as he downloaded it. It certainly would have been possible to hijack the hotel wifi. I assume that Gavin checked the SSL certificate as he downloaded Electrum. But with a potentially lucrative Satoshi title at stake, it would not be impossible to obtain a fake SSL certificate from one of the numerous, non-descript, and corruptible companies that are trusted as certificate authorities. Nor would it be impossible to modify the “brand new” laptop that was used in the demonstration. Infiltrating the supply chain of a particular computer store in London to replace certain laptops with identical replacements carrying doctored operating systems is perfectly within the realm of possibility.

Third, Gavin has not mentioned if he performed any social authentication. So, I will not assume that Gavin has issued partial social proof until we hear an explicit confirmation from him on this point, and I will still insist on multifactor technical authentication.

Satoshi and Block Size

Craig Wright’s statements about the block size limit do not matter. These days, all Bitcoin discussion and engagement has been replaced by a polarized split over one of the many parameters in the Bitcoin source code, known as the maximum block size. Until Craig Wright is authenticated, technically and socially, he has no expertise with which to chime in on this issue. The fact that he did, I interpreted as a soft hint that he was perhaps appearing to be in the big block camp to gain Gavin Andresen’s confidence. This is in line with the fact that he is quite convincing to audiences that he knows well, but cannot furnish independently verifiable proof. In short, a con-artist.

From an outsider’s perspective, it matters none at all whether Wright prefers big or small blocks. It does not make him more or less likely to be Satoshi, or more or less acceptable as Satoshi.

Some people used Gavin Andesen’s endorsement of Craig Wright as an excuse to cut off his access to Bitcoin source. This was a normal initial reaction to an expectation that Gavin’s credentials may have been hacked. Once it came out that Gavin was not hacked, his access should have been restored immediately. Gavin Andresen did not see or vet Craig Wright’s confusing blog post – he was faced with a very different scenario in the hotel room demo, had no control over Wright’s subsequent actions, and cannot be held liable for them. Anyone who has seen a street magician, let alone a pro such as David Blaine, can empathize with how even technically competent experts can be misled or tricked in environments that they do not fully control.

It is shameful that the flimsiest excuse was used to cut off a core developer’s access. This shows how deeply divided and deeply dysfunctional the Bitcoin community is over the maximum block size issue. Again from an impartial outsider’s perspective, it reflects terribly on the people involved.

Possibilities

It is possible that Craig Wright is mentally ill. And that all of this will boil over, with no proof furnished. It is imperative that the community present a unified, rational, science-based front to the external world, given that so many people are now watching the spectacle unfold. It is more crucial now than ever to avoid logical fallacies, and worst of all, to not use the spectacle as a means to make short-term gains in a narrow political infighting battle. This is a time to pull together as an appealing, interesting community, in command of a new technology.

And it is essential to treat Craig Wright with basic human decency no matter what, but especially if he is mentally ill.

Craig Wright may actually be Satoshi. Many believe this is unlikely, including myself, though any rational person needs to admit that it is possible. Craig Wright has a long history of intentional deception. We saw his most recent attempt as well as his attempt in December. I have also seen one previous attempt in private. None of them were convincing.

And he has failed social authentication: no one who has read his papers would confuse his writing with Satoshi’s, and his response to our work that showed the true limits of Satoshi’s consensus protocol was abysmal. So, it will be hard for Craig Wright to pass social authentication, even if he moves the coins.

The needle is currently parked at “Craig Wright has shown no evidence of being Satoshi, and even if he did, will have difficulty passing social authentication.” His burden of proof, given his history, is quite high.

It is possible that Craig Wright (or others) cracked some keys. It is possible that the pseudo-random number generator that Satoshi used was flawed.

It is possible that Craig Wright (or others) hacked some keys. It is possible that Craig Wright came to possess some of Satoshi’s credentials via illegal means.

It is possible that Craig Wright (or others) obtained some keys. It is possible that some early adopters, such as Hal Finney’s estate, may have had access to some early coins. It is possible for Satoshi to have sold the old computers he used to mine the initial blocks, and it’s possible for someone down the line to have recovered the keys from the disks.

Most importantly, it is quite possible that the real Satoshi would provide his credentials to Craig Wright. This is why a narrow identity check can be misleading. This is why moving early coins is necessary but not sufficient.

Craig Wright first appeared in the public eye last December, with some forged, backdated PGP keys (though some of us knew him from before, and had encountered “irregularities” in who he purported to be). This was quickly debunked, but it established him as a willing patsy. The real Satoshi could easily have located Craig Wright, and provided him with a few credentials to take the heat and to divert the potential public attention. Craig Wright would be able to address his tax problems while the real Satoshi would gain his desperately sought anonymity.

Unless we perform multi-factor authentication, unless we perform persona authentication, we might find ourselves in the position of watching the coins move, and be none the wiser about who the real Satoshi is or was. Or if they were singular or plural, even.

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The guy who wrote that just tweeted this

Ok, so we now have statements from others (purportedly from Joseph VaughnPerling and Ian Grigg) that provide what seem credible explanations for Craig White’s behaviour, and which back up the idea that he was in fact part of a team we know as Satoshi Nakamoto. IG says he was its leader and JV says he used the name at a conference in 2005.

This all seems to add credence to the theory that Craig is (part of) Satoshi Nakamoto, and the explanation which I presented that he is trying to hide that fact (as SN always has done).

An alternative which I want to add now, is that he was at first forced into trying to prove his identity as Satoshi Nakamoto (as JV says): my thought there is that it might for example be due to the tax investigation - which if you remember coincided with the first time CW was publicly outed (by persons unkown) as Satoshi. It isn’t hard to imagine a scenario where he needs to prove he is Satoshi Nakamoto in order to show the origin of his assets or face them being confiscated, for example.

Further support for the idea that CW is behaving entirely rationally is given by JV (in the link above). This might be as I suggested, to throw chaff up and disguise his involvement, or perhaps to call for help from other members of the team or indeed the trustee of the Tulip Trust (first revealed in the December “forgeries” IIRC). Again, it is not hard to image scenarios that are more credible to me than “scammer”.

So I’m going to leave it here. If you want to stick with the idea he’s a fraud and a scammer, or just mentally ill that’s fine with me. Maybe we’ll find out one way or the other, or maybe we’ll just have to hold our different opinions. I see no reason at this stage to disbelieve Gavin, Ian, Joseph or the others who have supported Craig White’s claims. Of course they could all be part of some giant conspiracy, but all these alternative theories grow less and less credible each time a new piece is revealed. Added to that, despite the time that has passed nobody has presented a scam theory that explains Craig White’s behaviour now without some pretty big leaps over incredulity, nor what happened back in December. So until someone comes up with a decent alternative I think that’s it here for me.

I’m satisfied that Craig White was part of a team that we know as Satoshi Nakamoto. If he was the leader, it is not wrong for him to claim to be Satoshi Nakamoto - and I already felt it sensible to see him as the spokesperson for that team. Now IG says he was the leader and that fits what we have so far perfectly.

I don’t see any better explanation than that for all the statements and actions of Craig White. They are bizarre only if viewed superficially, IMO it is easy to see them as sensible within the theory I presented and the context provided by several respected cryptographers.

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So he is Satoshi Nakamoto (or the teamleader of that team) and now tries to make it look as if he’s not. Well, okay, less follow that path.

So he goes to bizarre lengths to show he’s not, but his close friends/advisers/team go out publicly saying: “Yes, he is Satoshi!”. And they even post an invitation from a trust office publicly on a website. That’s weird isn’t it? Let’s say you and I were both part of the Satoshi team with you as the big leader. Let’s say you stressed out with several issues and someone tries to blackmail you saying you were the real Satoshi. I know the truth, I was part of the team. I met you in 2005 in Holland and we had a great conversation where you explained the idea for Bitcoin to me. And now, after all these years, you get in trouble, you turn the whole Bitcoin community against you. I see it, but as your friend I understand you’re showing the world that you aren’t Satoshi making easy to expose falsehoods on your blog. Now what can I do to help you? Remember, we were both in the team and I helped you!! I state on my twitter that we can never pay you back for all the great work you did. Let me think… Ohw, I have an idea!

  • I got out on twitter saying you are Satoshi, even if you are proving you are not.
  • I keep hammering you being the guy I met in 2005. yes, he is Satoshi!
  • I post a invitation for a meeting of a trust online and share it with the world saying, this message is for @happybeing

Next to that I make some vague replies in the media like:

JVP: He is following a wrong path, because he must. He is doing it the least-wrong way possible. He is on Meifumando. It is as it has to be.

And after I said you follow the wrong path I’m gonna say the complete opposite, namely that you did a great job:

AVW: What is the wrong path? And what is the right path?

JVP: The world can learn much from what he has done and how. He is showing what cryptography does and does not do. It is a lesson that the world needs to learn before mass adoption can occur.

And when asked about why I shared an invitation for a trust meeting I reply with:

VP: What I know and when I know it is not something I am interested in sharing. At least as regards the matter of the finances of others. It would show me to be a nosy one. And that much is already apparent to anyone looking at me. My nose is hard to miss.

It all doesn’t make sense to me. I cannot say I’m 100% sure he’s not Satoshi because these 3 or 4 others that claim it’s him have some of my credibility. Although this weird interview is taking away a lot of JVP his credibility IMO. It doesn’t make sense. They make it look as if CW wanted to move some coins but couldn’t because he isn’t allowed to do it without the trust agreeing. But what about a simple sign? And what about helping CW if he was the real Satoshi by all keeping your mouths shut to protect the guy?

As I said that’s fine by me, but it is does make sense to me, and nobody has presented a more credible alternative. I don’t find it hard to answer your points, but I’m not going to, because I’m satisfied and have spent enough time presenting my reasoning. Of course more information might change my mind, I’m only presenting what I think I know and what conclusions I’ve drawn from it. Everyone is entitled to draw their own conclusions, but nobody has bothered to present a reasoned alternative.

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i found this just now, not sure yet if its real so don’t attack me for trying to post ‘proof’

ttps://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2644014-Tulip-Trust-Redacted.html

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This is so much theatre and drama. And no wonder when [quote=“New_Rumor, post:262, topic:8995, full:true”]
craig hired top london pr firm for his big reveal

http://qz.com/676834/satoshi-nakamoto-hired-david-bowies-pr-agency-for-his-big-reveal
[/quote]

There is something else going on here that the theatre and drama is a smoke screen for. Just like politicians who create a situation elsewhere to hide what they really want to do that the public will not like.

If not then CWs attempt to prove he is SN went terribly wrong.

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@New_Rumor joins 4 days ago does nothing but promote CW as Sataoshi on this thread to the point that I question if he sleeps. Not a single comment on any other topic not even the second iteration of vaults today. call me an conspiracy theorist but Id say other forums have had the same kind of hype mongering by newly established accounts. its all a farce…

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If you honestly believe dr craig wright is paying people like me to post on forums then your definitely a conspiracy theorist. The age of my account has already been scrutinized on this thread and i have already publicly verified an earlier existing account beyond reasonable doubt. :wink: I feel the age of my account is irrelevant and shouldn’t make me or anyone else feel any different just because i’ve not been around as long as you. Personally I expect to see many more new comers come onto the safe network forum with much crazier opinions than craig wright is satoshi, and i hope you do not continue making these ‘new comers’ feel ostracised or less worthy for having an alternative opinion to yours. What i find most interesting about your reaction is that other reputable community members on here who think craig may also be satoshi have not been under any scrutiny from you, yet because i have a new account, i am? the whole point of open source cryptography is equality and secure access for everyone, regardless of who they think satoshi is.

My point remains if you are here for safe you would have shown some interest in the safe related topics. Instead all I see is a new account created at just about the time the thread went live with an unbelievable amount of pro CW posts and no interest in anything actually safe related. As for the other folks who believe that he is or is not Satoshi they are clearly here for the right reasons as expressed in their interest in actual safe related topics all over this forum. Please by all means prove me wrong and participate in the forum outside of this thread and I will gladly admit that I jumped the gun and was wrong.

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I have been a lurker since the days of the crowd sale and can prove ive been posting on safe related topics under many different pseudonyms for the past year and a half.

I’m sorry but we do not know each other. How would you know what my interests are? As far as i am aware, we have never had any communication other than on this thread when you attacked me for having a 4 day old account. I’m lucky i’ve been here a while to know the rest of community are approachable for new comers with questions.

Please can you stop insinuating i have no interest… Because I can prove you wrong.

People show interest in different ways, I obviously haven’t posted as much as you but that doesn’t necessarily mean you have any more interest than me. So since you demand proof from satoshi, i would like to see proof off you for your claimed interest in the safe network. How much are you financially interested?? I think it would be interesting, especially considering what we have just been discussing, that we should both ‘prove’ which one of us has more interest…

You better get used to me because i’m here for the long run :wink:

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@New_Rumour, please pick one and stick to it. From the Forum Guidelines Guidelines - Safe Network Forum

[quote]Do not do any of the following:

  • Create and use multiple accounts/sockpuppets.[/quote]
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Fair enough, just try to blend in

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Ah yes, this is the role of the Forum Detective to pick this up…it seems a spy has slipped through the defences. :wink:

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I was letting it go because he said he just switched, but since he is now actively using both accounts, I acted.

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Interesting response…

I’m not here to break any rules. My point has now been made and the older accounts will remained unused.

I’ve been called out twice for the having an alternative agenda based on my 4 day old account. (btw This is a clear breach of the rules as they are de-railing the topic of conversation, but lets not get into that).

I was made to feel like i had to ‘prove’ my intentions, so i logged into my old account and provided the proof that i was a genuine community member. Most people would think providing proof would smooth things over, I played into the hands of the non-believers but more importantly revealing that I had broke some rules along the way, the result is the non believer critizes me anyway and my proof is being used against me and subsequently have been ‘acted’ upon by the moderators.

i am being over dramtic for a reason and hopefully you can probably see where is this going by now…

So I’ll make my point and prevent breaking any more rules :slight_smile:

Dr craig was made to feel like he had something to prove, his word and even gavins word wasn’t enough, proof was all that would suffice.

I believe the mainstream media and bitcoin communitys attack on craigs qualifications, achievements and character was completely unfounded. He was provoked to publicly prove something that may be considered as breaking the rules in the eyes of the law.

Craigs public proof would have only resulted in further attacks and a long line of government suits shoving a load of rules and guidelines down his throat. Craig did bottle it and as a result has somewhat damaged his credibility (along with many other respected cryptographers) in the eyes of the bitcoin community.

But i agree with ian grigg, the biggest threat to the bitcoin atm, is the bitcoin community itself.

I hope to see dr wright publish his research to the public but unfortunately this may never happen. Craig made the right choice to back out because im sure that proof would be used to punish him and every other bitcoin holder. He has generated over 1 million bitcoins and not paid a penny to the tax man. Any solicitor would advise him not to publish proof of being satoshi. If he gave the bitcoin community what they were goading him for, that proof would be in the hands of the tax man and the regulators. It would be used to attack him from every legal angle, some people just aren’t made for it, and i guess satoshi is only human and chose the selfish route out.

apparently ive been blending in too much and need to join in more safe related topics, i feel like im being lectured to by teachers back at school.

That’s one persons opinion, the main issue is the use of multiple accounts…maybe you used different IP’s as it didn’t get picked up untill you dropped yourself in it :smile:

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i have a habit of doing that. i was using different ip’s but your probably wondering why i bother lol