SAFE Network - TEST 7

directories stuck in limbo


I uploaded multiple directories, but strangely these can’t be deleted, I can only choose a directory and publish the website.

I also get this a lot when uploading directories
CoreError::RequestTimeout

Vault time is different from OS time

Right now it’s 7:36 PM, but on the vault the time is 19:30 AM

That is 19:30 which in 24 hour clock so 7:30 PM

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Yep, you can already get around this via using the POC beaker browser. Only thing with that is that you’ll need to manually build it for now.

But then you can browse safe: sites without a proxy! (I have removed mine entirely).

Though right now you’ll need to convert links to safe:// and drop the .safenet on the end of them. A small inconvenience until we get the majority of people browsing through a SAFE browser!

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I don’t know how many vaults were in this test initially but wonder if churn would naturally drop off faster than the number of vaults added… so, with twice as many vaults, would there be substantially less churn? If there was a minimum standard for a vault, then doubling the number of those; or halving them, might give a sense of where the limit for balance between churn and vaults# lies.

Certainly my impression is that performance drops, if I’m running a local vault… that’s a reasonable home connection but perhaps is then not large enough bandwidth to be backbone vault. Seeing others running vault on Android, I wonder cannot help and perhaps some limit is needed that sees weak nodes stall… or just tick over with an indicator that bandwidth is not sufficient to be useful.

If it was clear that droplet nodes would be useful, I expect some of us might be more inclined to spend money on a few. High Performance, High Frequency, Bare Metal, Affordable Cloud Computing - Vultr.com suggests $5/month for 1000GB bandwidth 15GB SSD.

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The account, created yesterday at home, does not work today at work. I have needed to create a new account.

The upload is quite slow but now everything works (sometimes have to upload twice).

I guess the number of Vault is quite limited with the inherent problems of high churn. That’s a chicken-egg problem I hope the Datachain will fix.

My standard web: http://wave.digipl.safenet/

We found a couple of issues (this is what tests are for). It seems that the routing refactor (which is ongoing) has probably caused this issue. What we have seen is requests with no reply, which points to routing or at least the network. We will now confirm this specifically. To resolve that, what we will do immediately is

1: We will stop this current TEST7 network for now.
2: Backport routing to latest stable + a few cherry picked fixes.
3. Randomise the bootstraping of clients. They were ddosing the seed nodes, basically as all nodes were bootstrapping from only the first few nodes, which was a bug.

So we will keep all the client code as is (it will need recompiled with crust/routing though) and continue to test the client code (safe_core/launcher/demo_app). I am happy about that as those guys worked through the night for this test to happen. They deserved their sleep.

So we will restart this network as TEST7b and not give out vaults initially. This will allow the test of all the new client code to continue. We will then issue vaults after a short time to just check this was a routing issue (With lots of smaller nodes).

As this happens it lets the team, who are mostly working in routing refactor to continue and get that completed and allow us to get the routing table changes and data chains in place much sooner. This is something we do not want to push back.

Life in the fast lane at the bleeding edge :slight_smile: Seriously though we said we will roll out as fast and often as possible and we will continue to. It’s critical to success.

Thanks again folks , hopefully you will get the clients back today.

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Testing works! My thanks to the whole team for their extraordinary effort and commitment.

I don’t want any of them feeling they need to work through the night, but when someone does I can only say thank you.

They definitely also deserve a break at some point, this is an incredibly long haul.

Take care all of you. [applause]

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From routing’s side, we’ll probably stick to the 0.23 branch for the test networks and the first alpha networks: The code is very much in flux due to the reorganisation and it doesn’t make a lot of sense to use it for live networks like this. Instead, we plan to finish the refactoring (almost done), implement RFCs 30 and 37 and possibly even data chains, then doing some smoke testing on droplets and only then update the vaults binaries that we use for live networks.

In the meantime, testing will focus on the frontend and any newly identified routing issues will be backported to routing 0.23.

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Okay I created a new account and tried uploading the whole website folder, which resulted in a timeout (my traditional Blindsite Quote page which has always worked before). So I get a partial upload, which is the folders got created and the index html got uploaded. So I’m manually uploading the remaining files 1 by 1 because a) Puts are not refunded after a delete. and 2) I’ve had glitches in the past when trying to delete and reupload. So the first 2 pics upload fine but the third keeps giving me a timeout when uploading. I know it’s not the pic. Remember I know all these files upload fine as I’ve uploaded the whole site before under the 25mb limit. Actually I think it even worked under the 5mb limit. So I think repeated timeouts at 99% would be a client/network issue somewhere.

And in case you’re wondering my launcher reports I’m at 23/500 PUTS.

Update: I just got another error and reloaded my public data folder. Apparantly what little I did manage to upload has all gone poof. It’s not there anymore. Data loss.

Update 2: Now I can’t even reupload because of an error whining about “No such data.” What do you mean no such data! It’s on my computer for you to upload. And my public files folder is apparantly empty. How can there be “no such data.” Arg!

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TEST 7 is offline.

So maybe you’re connected to some nodes, but droplets gone. No one can join the network through bootstrap.

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Might be worth waiting for the reboot and 7b binaries (see David’s post above).

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Anyone still remember TEST 2? It ran for 24 hours. It started on May 6th. So we went from TEST 2 (people running Vaults from home for the first time) to TEST 7 within 3 months :thumbsup:. And look what we got over that period. New GUI’s, new routing, new Vaults, and what more. Devs are doing an amazing job here.

Fully agreed :thumbsup:

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And people are bitching about it taking 2 years to come out with the network? Look what’s been built in the last few months. This is a construction project not a bloody last minute release. Still can’t wait for the actually final network to be up and running.

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Link

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So nodes are not being ranked by the network yet correct? As that as I understand will happen with data chains. How about message priority? These features should really help with the smaller nodes with slow connections. I think test 7 was a success already as well. I got to try out the changes to launcher and demo app and I see no need for further changes. I like the way it works, the sequential encryption has done wonders for the progress bar. Now there’s a cancel upload button, it looks even more spiffy, there are both public and private folders now, and I love the account secret idea. Account secret is very personalizable and creative so a great solution imo. Cheers team, great job!

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Come so far and getting so close! Thanks to everybody’s hard work and the long hours they are putting in!

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Update: Please download the new binaries for TEST 7 (only client applications for now).

I also updated the Download section of the first post.

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very cool the new secret/password-thing and the explanation-dialogue :slight_smile:

(aaaand the folders with private/public data are very nice too!)

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Brilliant: fast and flawless: http://test.bluebird.safenet/

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http://elephant.noidea.safenet/ i should upload a version with better resolution later!
(and yes - lightning-fast at my side!)

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