SAFE Network Alpha Release!

I understand what you are saying and am not new by any means. If your lead developer makes a statement it attracts a lot of attention. It is certainly reasonable to expect things to take longer than originally planned. If it took double the expected timeframe given it could still be considered reasonable. We are now over three times longer than was expected and there is still a feeling that we could still be waiting quite a while. This reflects poorly on the project.

Either they are running into major issues they did not expect or the lead developers do not have a good grasp on how well things are progressing. Either way, The team should be giving much more conservative time estimates.

Maybe he was just trying to drive more investment from BTTF by making theses overly optimistic statements like test safecoin in 4 months, etc. I’m calling them out on these estimates as being totally BS and they should just stop talking about any timeframe. It is negatively affecting the perception of SAFE network

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He gave a pretty vague answer. He also disclaimed that guesstimate by saying they “are not sure yet”.

It’s certainly reasonable to ask if he’s more sure of a time frame now, but I don’t think you can hold anyone to the time frame they mention is this kind of context. If you try to hold them to it then you might make them less inclined to give any future guesstimates imo - which is good or bad depending on your expectations and tolerance for disappointment.

Personally I’d rather David felt he could just be honest without any drama, but sadly I think that is always going to be difficult and clarky’s pov is not irrational or unreasonable. It is understandable for people to feel frustrated. Especially as so many of us are invested both emotionally and financially in the project. I feel the pangs of frustration the same as anyone and I do sympathise with the impatience and need to have timescales that we can regard as vaguely accurate. Sadly though big innovation likes this comes at a price. There’s no telling what issues could come up when creating something this big and new. The ground work is done, but who knows how much polishing will be required? It really is anybody’s guess where problems will crop up and how much time they will take to solve. I do believe they will probably all be solvable though. I think that’s what really matters here isn’t it?! Where the story ends is what will matter in the end, not the timeline it took or the accuracy of predicting it. That game is more for traders than investors and I think MAID is a pretty dangerous thing to ‘trade’ most of the time precisely because it is so hard to predict when things will happen; managing your liquidity is a big part of trading.

I think we know enough to say it seems highly unlikely to take years longer for a full launch. It might take several months, perhaps it will even be hit by really tough problems and take a year or more. That doesn’t put me off; the possibility of it only being a matter of weeks/months away is just too exciting!

tl:dr
it was very vague, you can’t hold anyone to that kind of statement imo. although it is fair to ask for an update on it.
innovation comes at price, no one knows how long the unknown will take or what issues they will face.

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This is the only part I don’t like. Quite rude

I liked your comments because I’ve been wondering the same for a bit, and you’re right it’s quite fair to ask for an update on “Alpha 2” since like you say it was 2 or 3x overdue.

Ask for an update, or ask if they have pivoted from that original goal (“Alpha 2”), but please don’t be rude or accusatory. Nobody here is trying to spread “BS” sir

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And I really do believe this, quite firmly

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…that was kind of my way of asking about “alpha 2” though, does anyone know?

Was that idea scrapped instead for a more solid network release, like a “beta” instead, when node aging / resource tests etc are all finished?

Anyone know if “alpha 2” will still come, as was the plan a while back?

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I very much think so. Disjoint groups turned out to be a > 10 week issue and not a few short weeks issue. (we hoped 2-3 weeks plus plenty of time to test) The plan is to push ahead as soon as we can. In another way though i thought the core guys time to get a lot of work done in data handling. So a silver lining, but disjoint groups took us by surprise at it’s complexity. We are on it very hard though and will crack it.

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And this is exactly why demanding ETAs is foolish, and not giving them is the honest thing to do; programming isn’t like chopping trees.

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Totally fine I’m sure nobody here can be mad about that! Very glad to know though and be kept in the loop. We’re all on your side and supporting very hard along the way! Every day the global events show the need for SAFE so no matter what we’ll be here, and the little summaries here and there like this help tremendously for putting things into perspective thanks very much!

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Please help.
I’ve downloaded Launcher v0.80 and Demo App. and started installation of both (one by one) but when I clicked Finalize button it just disappeared and nothing happened(?) I can not find it anywhere on my desktop PC (Win 7 64). I repeated procedure couple of times and get the same result, nothing.
After that I find Launcher v0.10 and finally succeed to opened account but now I have another problem with Demo App as link from account direct me again to MadSafe site to download Demo App but I can’t make it work and integrate it in Launcher(?) Also, the part of the same problem is that I can’t registrar my ID(?)

Why nobody write step-by-step numb-dumb guide? I find that common problem with all new crypto platform projects.

Hi just a quick note, please try using the newest launcher. People are having problems with that old 0.8.0 version

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Ok, I find that I’ve been already installed Luncher and Demo App. in October and also already Registered ID so it was my mistake. Now I uninstall old one and install a Luncher v0.8.0 beside v0.10.0 and Demo App and finally make it both works.
Next thing I have to see if I’m going to register another ID as I’ve been asked for or to figure out how I can use the old one I’ve registered before(?)

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Probably just have to make a new one for quickest success. These are only temporary test networks so things like that get deleted after a certain amount of time.

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safe://dir.yvette3 - note to self: write down password of new accounts :expressionless:

Out of 2037 PublicIDs guessed, fell 739 websites :thumbsup:

and that’s just from guessing and retaining those declared… so, likely there are more out there with less obvious names… in the same way as there are Services/sub-domains to PublicIDs I couldn’t guess.

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wohoow - that is pretty impressive :open_mouth: slightly more than the ones published here xD

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Alpha 1 issues.

Having issues getting the demo app running with launcher. I have had it working in the past.

I re downloaded the two apps from maidsafe alpha page and the launcher works but cant authenticate demo app

demo app 0.6.0

launcher 0.8.0

MAc OSX

Not great if new people are downloading and have issues. Can someone test this please :slight_smile:

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I did the same thing here 2 days ago (Win64) and it works fine for me, maybe an OSX issue? Have you checked the #support category?

https://safenetforum.org/c/support

Maybe add your questions there if you still have trouble. Alpha 2 will be different with most action in the SAFE Browser. Should make things way easier for users.

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Yes, tyvm! That default download, 503 KB (515,688 bytes), is always a horrible idea… Not sure why there wasn’t any obvious way to get an offline installer, from that SAFE Launcher v0.8.0 - Alpha 1 page and this web site’s download link.

Cool! :slight_smile:

^^ Oic., apparently I didn’t scroll down the page, duh! xD

Edit:

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Note sure where to post comments. Install could be smoother. safe_launcher not in $PATH – I found it by hand, here: /opt/maidsafe/safe_launcher/safe_launcher so I try to run it:

/opt/maidsafe/safe_launcher/safe_launcher: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
dpkg -S libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
apt-get install libgtk2.0-0

/opt/maidsafe/safe_launcher/safe_launcher
/opt/maidsafe/safe_launcher/safe_launcher: error while loading shared libraries: libnotify.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
dpkg -S libnotify.so.4
apt-get install libnotify4

/opt/maidsafe/safe_launcher/safe_launcher
/opt/maidsafe/safe_launcher/safe_launcher: error while loading shared libraries: libgconf-2.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
dpkg -S libgconf-2.so.4
apt-get install libgconf-2-4

/opt/maidsafe/safe_launcher/safe_launcher
/opt/maidsafe/safe_launcher/safe_launcher: error while loading shared libraries: libnss3.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

apt-get install libnss3

I hope this process will end soon … it would be nice if the deb installed the pre-reqs it needed.

Also – its clearly promising to be a graphical app of some kind. Any chance there might be a non-graphics version of this?

OK, so I start it up: nothing happens, it exits silently. I expected an error message, like “can’t connect to X server” or something like that.

strace /opt/maidsafe/safe_launcher/safe_launcher
ends with
open("/usr/share/locale/en/LC_MESSAGES/gtk20-properties.mo", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
close(3) = 0
exit_group(1) = ?
+++ exited with 1 +++

find /usr |grep gtk20-properties.mo | grep en
/usr/share/locale/ca@valencia/LC_MESSAGES/gtk20-properties.mo
/usr/share/locale/en_CA/LC_MESSAGES/gtk20-properties.mo
/usr/share/locale/en_GB/LC_MESSAGES/gtk20-properties.mo

OK, I’m stumped, now. Clearly, I need to install one more thing … what might it be?

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Unclear what you’ve tried there but you simply need to download the .zip for the launcher and the demo app, from the links in the OP and also then get the Beaker browser:

Once you’ve got those, obviously uncompress them and open a terminal in each folder and run the executable as you were trying to do.

Compiling from scratch is liable to you knowing which is the stable repository and which is work in progress.

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Unclear why you think that your comment is even remotely helpful. If you
don’t understand what I’m talking about, you probably should not be making
obviously incorrect suggestions.