[Poll]: full OMNI to ERC20 swap

Huh, cool. I may be misremembering. It has been quite some time. So the omni-trezor software lets you send to any address? I thought I remembered having to extract it to omniwallet first, then send it somewhere.

You can send to any address directly… They even add support for address starting with 1* and 3*.

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Ok. If that’s the case, it’s similar to Trezor/Cardano. You use external ADALITE software for that. I’ll edit my previous posts to reflect the mistake.


I do not use the official Trezor website at all, I bookmarked the MAID github page and go through it to send MAID. It is literally 2-3 clicks less than MetaMask, you have no gas settings, it is made as clean as possible - the address to which you send and the amount of MAID…

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Is that in your tutorial? I haven’t tried that.

Yes, see from here:

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Wrapped has followed up with an introduction to the Anchorage team. This is a positive development. From here, it’s in the hands of MaidSafe, TokenSoft and Anchorage to see this through with Wrapped.


Great news. Thanks for all your efforts on this!


ETH is expensive & Omni sucks. I’m very green with all this but arent there way cheaper and easy to use options?


Yes, the solution is called a sidechain - for example, see this ETH sidechain: https://polygon.technology/

And use Ramp for fiat transfer to USDC polygon Ramp

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I voted YES!! I am surprised this has not been implemented yet. Maidsafe was a well known name in the early days of the last bull run in 2016. It’s out of question that projects that rank in the top 30s are on everybodys radar. I think it is very important for the chance of success that there are lots of people interested and wanting to get involved. Visibility on sites like coinmarketcap is very valuable in my opinion. For me personally it would give me some peace of mind to be able to store my MAID together with all my other assets on a ledger wallet. I know that’s not a strong argument for ERC20 MAID but a small one it is :slightly_smiling_face:


I vote yes because omni support is just terrible and syncing up an omnicore takes days to weeks.
We have omniwallet but this is just a quick fix and we don’t know if the service will ever go down. And how many hardware wallets support sending MAID without needing to use omniwallet? If few than eventually many need to sync up a full node which is expensive, takes long time and sometimes has to resync if you make a small mistake.

It would be so much easier to have MAID as ERC20, don’t bother with swapping back and forward using omni decentralized or custodian nodes. Easier to store for everybody, easier to access on many dex’s and cex’s, ethereum is a great project and has been for years with a rich and growing ecosphere.

Remaining in Omni is the #1 reason I believe we are not seeing more interest.
New people who buy MAID.omni now might want to put it in coldstorage but as mentioned above using omniwallet or some hardware wallet is not the most reliable or easy way and many don’t have hardware wallets!

BIG benefit is also that getting listed on DEX’s or CEX’s can have it’s cost greatly reduced as they don’t need to run full nodes anymore to operate Omni wallet for their users.


I want to vote… but I’ve always been a lurker and don’t have enough reputation…


Don’t use a sidechain but an L2 like ZKsync or Loopring. You get cheap transactions + the security of the mainnet.


The poll is limited to level 1 users and up, because in the past we have had attempts to manipulate polls. Spend a few hours reading and browsing the forum and you will reach level 1 :freedom:

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Yet more awesome work by @Sotros25, thank you. We may differ on how we view CEXs but you sure know how to get stuff done.

@dirvine is there any steps towards this? I am asking because if Wrapped is a non-event or far off in the future, then I have another very simple actionable proposal that I can write up that could bring us ERC20 within weeks with all the upside very little downside for Maidsafe (time, legal, fees).

At risk of sounding like a broken record and since these concerns have not been addressed as not an issue, this is the driving motivation for pushing this:

  1. Native Safe Tokens are unlikely to list on CEXs as pure privacy tokens are FATF banned worldwide.
  2. Native Safe Tokens cannot be listed on existing DEXs, DEXs today only work with the protocol they live on. OmniDex for Omni, Uniswap for ERC20, BEP20 for BSC etc etc.
  3. Due to point 2, Native Safe Tokens will have to list on a native DEX, which probably means execution layer on Safe will need to exist first. The time frame risk on this is very high.
  4. Mobile only users will be shut out of SN without ability to mine tokens and limited mobile CEX access to MaidSafeTokens. No access for everyone at launch.
  5. MaidSafeTokens are better kept in cold storage under Omni, there is no incentive to move them into liquidity provision. With poor CEX history of theft and loss of coins there is a huge disincentive. This further restricts access for everyone.

Edit: 6 - Cross chain DEXs need… blockchains. For Safe Network has very good chance of not being compatible. Maid is a different matter of course.


Agreed. (10 chars.)


Yes intros have been made. Now the meetings, decisions, agreements and any legals etc. are now with me and the team. It will be a lot of work (always is), lot of meetings, cost money distract from launch and that’s the price I hear most folk say now is worth paying.

So we are paying that price and launch will be a bit slower, but it’s all a balance. A bunch of work for intros and setting up docs etc. as well as paying for some legals has been done by the community so far (also directly by individuals).

The bulk of the work will fall on the MaidSafe team now though and this is the world of crypto these days. A legal entity needs to exist to do deals in the decentralised world :upside_down_face: We all know why this is, here comes the fine print :wink: and much more. As Sinatra says, that’s life :wink:

I don’t see any way forward but relent a bit and defocus launch from 100% to something less. If I could control physics I would, but … at least I can drink much more coffee

I hope I don’t sound ungrateful and certainly @Sotros25 @Mightyfool @piluso to name a few have done a huge amount of legwork at their own cost here, and much more. However, the actual amount of work and responsibility left is, well … not insignificant.


David, I am happy you are also seeing the importance of this. Is there any expected timeframe for this to crystalize? Really appreciate it!

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I see the potential importance of many things. It’s what makes this community strong, we all do, but not all from the same angles. So brilliant.

Unsure, there are meetings scheduled. The I imagine it will start with an NDA so I cannot then tell you folks anything. Maybe not, but usually it’s the script. It’s the other world then, the one you won’t find me able to be open with.

I am totally and utterly trying to avoid this affecting the rest of the team, but it will unavoidably dump loads of admin on Sharon and that’s not great at all right now.

Money first, save the kids later :wink: it’s that important now, or is it? I can push myself to past exhaustion here, but I am not letting those kids down and I am desperate to not let the team down, never mind the wider world. Only so far I can split myself though.

Let’s see what happens every single step that’s not launch is the most important
Get on a USA exchange
Get wrapped
Get erc20
and on it goes. Not doing any of the steps means total doom! (I highly doubt any such claim)

I am contemplating all this in real time to try and provide the best I can, but I am never gonna let down the folk we set out to help the most and we are potentially risking that for some short term gains here.

The reason being, these are not the only games in town, but I don’t have the energy right now to divulge debate or outline the much bigger plan.

100% launch, 100% launch, it’s hard now to say it more clearly and now I feel a hint we could slow down is so well received, but worry not the best decisions will be taken.

Just watch github over the next few days for examples of what we can do given space and time and community help on testing. Then we can all wonder, what matters most, finish the race or stop and grab some food cause after all we can argue you need food to live and those kinda conversations.

No offence to anyone, but the pace we are currently working at is beyond fast, we are all at our limits. I hope you can all see that and I hope we can all understand the focus required, the hours required and the absolute search for every last bit of adrenalin to launch this.

Then we have to do a wee bit more, one wafer-thin mint, go on go on, of course, ye will :smiley:

Anyway priorities eh !! :wink: It’s what makes us real.