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That is exactly the bias people have in mind about who Satoshi is. Just because he doesn’t fit the image you have in mind about how Satoshi should be like doesn’t mean he is not Satoshi. I don’t like his character either, but I can see his genius.

All blockchains work fine. If that level of decentralization suits you, I’m glad for you.

I also have no problem with people who impersonate other people and people who trust them. Your life, your faith. Use whatever you like…

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You have a huge hurdle to get over. He could not even prove to the Juge he was when he was suing to be recognised as Satoshi. He could not prove one point.

You cannot tell me he is Satoshi when there is now 2 attempts he has tried to gain control.

He is a fraud and you seem to have fallen for it. He had millions riding on him proving himself to be Satoshi and he could not. So just because he knows things that a number of others also know does not prove anything.

All he had to do is move 1 coin from Satoshi’s BTC address and show to the community he had at least a close association with Satoshi. But he could not and went to court to try and use the legal system to prove he was. He sounds like a fraud, acts like a fraudster and the court showed he could not show himself to be Satoshi.

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just so you know anyone can file a patent on anything and if multiple people file patents on the same thing they just file them all. You have to go to court to prove you really own the rights if other people contest it. And as @neo mentioned he has not had much luck proving to an impartial judge he is satoshi

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So let me tell you what might happen next:
The tulip trust coins won’t move on Btc, however those unmoved coins will be tokenized on bsv and get moved around that way. No one will ever know the address of the tokenized tulip btc unless they are the buyer of the asset, so no one will know that it has been traded and the buyers of the tokens would even be incentivized to never move the BTC on the BTC chain so as not to deflate the market. This will continue until someone randomly and accidentally moves a satoshi coin on BTC rather than the tokenized BTC on bsv. Craig Wright is a strategist too, he keeps his cards to himself.

he has far more to gain by just moving a 0.001 BTC to prove he is associated with the genesis block. That doesn’t mean he is selling it. It only proves he controls it, which might send BSV to the moon. Sure maybe there will be a slight pullback like “oh shit satoshi is not like dead or something and could still move these coins.” But for CSW that is more a cost everyone else will feel that is far outweighed by the personal benefit of proving to the community he is satoshi. So really there is not good strategy there. Also anyone can say that. Maybe I am satoshi but its just my erm strategy to keep it seceret… rigggght.

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So let ME tell you what might happen next:
Orca (SAFE) comes for the baby whales (blockchains). And this killer whale eats whales … :dragon:

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If they ever release :joy: don’t get me wrong I’m a holder since 2016 but every year we believe the network will go on air next year, and next year becomes a moving target. Besides I’m starting to doubt the socialist economic model of Safe vs the Capitalistic economy model of BSV and I tend to lean toward BSV economic model, which thrubbs like the river of life.

In my opinion, the biggest economic plus that the SAFE network has is the ability for anyone to be a farmer… I tested different things over the years and haven’t yet encountered another project that can appeal to all of humanity…

Sia is super difficult to setup for farming…
Storj is super difficult to setup for farming…
Noia is super difficult to setup for farming…

In SAFE you just click 1 exe and you’re done… Anyone can join… Incredibly super cool! :dragon: It’s like magic, but it’s better, it’s science, it’s good design! :rocket: :mage: :rocket:

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The economic incentive in bitcoin is what makes it secure and a winner. As I see it right now, there might be better technologies out there but their economic model is flawed and because of that Bitcoin (SV as a utility) in the long run will be a winner. The fierce competition in mining in BSV will always force miners to reinvest their capital and push technology forward to be more efficient, to be more profitable than other miners, they would pay for developers and would always seek to become more efficient in order to “stay alive”, they have what is called “skin in the game”. Any other platform or technology that doesn’t have this, tbh I don’t see how they can compete against such an engine in the long run?

I don’t see how the SAFE network is doing a socialist model. In fact they are trying to set it up so any small guy can go farm some coins. Its like the old kind of capitalism that fosters growth though competition. BSV is like the new kind of capitalisim where only the big guys own the means of production which is almost socialisim IMO except its a few companies instead of the government.

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Which is not clear?

You have a free unused resource all over the planet that is scattered on people’s computers.

You have a project capable of seizing all this resource.

How do you even imagine that bitcoin or any other project can be compared to this … Whales meets whales killer. Welcome to the dinner where you are the dinner :wink:

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“In fact they are trying to set it up so any small guy can go farm some coins.” And Is that what’s going to secure the network? or is it cryptographic secure (which has been around for 2000 years in one form or another). I don’t see what is wrong with 5 big data centers? Not anyone can compete in the Olympics, right?. You have to put some work in to become a proficient athlete that can compete in the Olympics, you have to risk something. The same will be with mining, you would have in the future to develop some skills and risk some capital if you would like to be a miner. That’s what secures the network and push it forward. That is a killer, that is strength. not " any small guy can go farm some coins." I really hope SAFE isn’t built that way.

You realize that the economic power behind the 3 billion people who have free computer resources is greater than that of the 5 big date centers that have to pay for their computer equipment?

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Well there will be no specific advantage to having a data center with lots of hard drives or just having one extra laptop you don’t use. Instead of create a big barrier to entry the SAFE network will use all available resources. And of course I don’t doubt if 1 spare laptop turns out to be profitable some will then get a big rack of used hard drives. They can organically grow into a data center with skill, instead of being disqualified from the get go.

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I honestly don’t believe in free service. Everything has a cost. I believe in the future everything would be monetized by micro-transactions (a trillion of a cent to send an email or search for data)

you been following this project since 2016 and don’t realize its not a free service? When you upload data you have to pay farmers safecoin according to how much storage you want to buy.

This will never be profitable. Free will always beats paid. You will never be able to make as much safecoin buying farming equipment as you can buy directly

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man your computer equipment, you already have, is already paid. So for you farming for safecoin is free. You have 0 expense for equipment. Zero. Compare it to a data center that has to buy equipment to farming…

The SAFE network promises to do just that …

Yes in the long run the price of storage on the network will always tend towards the cost (which will include some people that have basically no cost because they are using otherwise idle equipment)… At first the price will be strongly pulled towards free, very much like bitcoin in the early days when people just mined with idle computer time… but if the network grows there will be room for professional farmers since there just won’t be enough “free” resources available to meet the demand.

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