Last message, I totally agree with you dirvine, i asked Alex to negociate with you once he is back and have enough time.
So, i am also one of the co founders of NVO, so i have the right to talk in the name of the team, i am a developer, and i suppose that you are too, this is why i contacted you directly because if you wasn’t i wouldn’t have tried to contact you.
I have my personal project for a gaming blockchain and saw that it could be beneficial to maidsafe, even used to create a safenet because of the rich features, i wanted to offer it if you were in need of it, apparently not, so let’s forget about it.
NVO offered to help maidsafe but we don’t know where to start. BIGbtc asked for 2M usd, but i explained why we won’t put them like that.
I am tired too dirvine, if it is possible i would appreciate to talk with someone who could tell us what maidsafe is doing, what maidsafe needs, how we could help, provide some guidelines about how a project like NVO could help Maidsafe.
Please don’t disrespect me saying that you believe or not, however, it would be better to evaluate what maidsafe needs and share it, from there, NVO can see what it can provide and how it can help.
Everyone talks with emotions here, that’s why i expressed my love for development.
Just begin with working demo apps on the current code to let folk know what NVO is and see there is forward momentum. The last thing we need here is apprehension, so forward progress with apps on the testnets or local test network. Even a website or so to get to grips with the API and then feedback would be great.
Most of all engage technically by helping others, asking questions and showing your teams ability to deliver. This is the best help right now, everything else will follow.
I would like to get a better understanding of how this all pulls together for NVO project and to have the community behind your team will pay dividends for tests/user feedback etc.
To know maidsafe progress, the weekly updates say it all mostly. There is background work with PR, marketing, accounts, internal office works, partner meetings, recruitment processes etc. We have job specs a plenty and applicants who are applying. There is a ton we are doing, but for NVO engage and develop on SAFE will reap rewards a plenty.
When you create a project, you setup the project’s architecture, not a simple roadmap.
A roadmap doesn’t makes sence if you don’t have a global architecture because this is where you can have an idea about the technologies you want to use, the project’s specifications, the required hours to put in the development …
You have to do researches, this is why went you talk to your developers you tell them :
“Do that” Because you know where it will bring you. Because once you recruit them you know what skills you need, how many hours of development you need. This is how you can situate your progression on the roadmap.
Else, the projects hit a wall without this architecture.
The developer is the redactor of the architect, as the architect decides what technology to use, and which one is reliable.
I would like to thank @polpolrene for his messages, he tried to help me by giving links and ressources. It is not really what i am looking for, am more looking for the architecture.
There is
A wiki
A podcast school for the SAFE network architecture (explained in detail)
A ton of patents
A ton of code with README and documentation
An RFC repository
Plenty of whitepapers
maidsafe website and blog
my own blog http://metaquestions.me
Several youtube videos from client to back end designs etc.
Dev forum (for tech questions and pre rfc works)
…
Many more (forum posts, email threads etc.), so I am not sure what’s missing. It cannot be reduced to a simple one page overview or anything like that. So will require a lot of reading and research. So what are you missing from all of this?
Remember you started this convo with having built safe network 10.0 so it’s weird you ask this question?
With all due respect @polpolrene lots of seemingly off topic questions are being asked due to a staggering amount of contradictory, inflammatory and outright ridiculous remarks made by the NVO team.
I think a fair amount of leeway should be permitted when trying to get a handle on all the craziness.
Discovery that should have been permitted right at the top of this thread instead of the bottom.
There was good reason to look further into the team before the “technical discussion” was used to silence questions back in the beginning before they raised $7million. Now the glaring incompetencies surface again. It can’t constantly be burried by steering the conversation away from the big bright elephant in the room.
Thanks @dirvine, i would have appreciated this kind of message since the beggining, i don’t know all the links around safenet, i effectively know about the maidsafe website, github repo, your repo, and the forum.
I will take the time to study the architecture (podcast) i will try to provide a feedback as soon as possible, i recently designed one, i think that i am in the right mood to assimilate yours.
Once i assimilate it, and checked the aspects, i will see where i could intervenate and where devs could. Will use the RFC and try to work on the different modules as quickly as possible.
If there is something about the architecture, i will let you know.
The developers would be managed by NVO.
I hope this starting point is fine for you ? if you agree on it i will start.
Yes, i was a supporter only, but i had to work on the technology of the project, i have been suggested for a co-founder position. I hope that it answers your question.
Again I repeat you said you have created safenet so it implies you know a helluva lot about the architecture required. You really need to answer that initial point you made, have you created safenet 10.0 or not? I am not trying to be difficult but this makes it hard for me to understand. You say you have built it then say you don’t know the architecture required. It’s all messy. If you have built it then the job is done and we can all celebrate. So have you?
This is not so simple, we fail a huge amount of applicants on the coding challenge, the less so on the tech interview(s) and less again on the personnel interviews. I cannot see how NVA can manage the developers without a huge understanding of the codebase. Just check the routing create and see if you can follow the processes there, or data chains part 1, or vaults, never mind safe core and that’s all miles before the API. It implies significant knowledge and it’s a massively hard job. As I said some of us are 7 days 19-20 hours or so, it’s necessary and then hangouts for devs, some last over 8 hours.
So I am not sure what you mean mange the devs, if you mean pay them then great, employ them, well I am not sure. We can get you guys to try our application process, even the coding challenge if it would help? Becoming a maidsafe Engineer is not easy, I am not sure I could pass the tests right now.
Anyway nice offer, but needs more thinking. Can you think more and come back?
Kudos to @dirvine for showing patience and objectivity towards this clown. First he claims to have ‘accidentally’ created Safenet 10.0, then he says he looked at the source code and found it unimpressive. Also claims to have first learned English during the month of the crowdsale. It’s almost as if @nemgun is constantly trying to outdo himself with successive ridiculous claims.
Well, i require the deletion of this thread, right now, i just checked the podcasts of maidsafe, it is totally crazy, it is not an architecture it is more an IT sect, I just realized it, and are you a company or an organization? I spent a full day trying to have an architecture and in the end I received podcasts, I thought it was explanations, but in the end you are a guru.
I understand why people talk to me so often about money here and not about development, it is not in this way that we create a future Internet, we would say a computerized version of a sect, do you realize it ? It is normal that you can not understand that I have created a safenet, and it is very very serious what you do.
I understand why safex is gone, I had reson when i said that the code was written by Tibetan monks, it’s madness. Are you an ancient sect priest?
oh shit is a dangerous stuff.
You are a smooth speaker who convinces people with beautiful words, I do not even want to send you a message, this kind of things is disgusting, it is not an architecture for developement, it is BLA bla.
You are the kind of person who reads computer magazines and imagines things.
That’s why people talk so much about money. I don’t want to be associated to maidsafe anymore.
Ask an IT consultant for a review, you will understand what i say in this post.
People talk less about the money in this project than any other I have seen in 2 years of being in crypto.
It sound a bit like you’ve just suddenly realised you can’t come back from your previous comments so you might as well find an excuse to cut ties completely.
The testnets work, we have seen the code and some results, I’m not sure why you’d liken this to a cult. It is an open source project. The code is all there to be reviewed by anyone who wants to take a look, no one needs to take anything on ‘faith’ here. So far you are the only one who asked anyone to show ‘trust’ without evidence. The maidsafe team haven’t done that, they show what they have done and what they are doing very transparently.
He’s a gov agent who wants to take over maidsafe codebase. Clearly maidsafe is a threat to the establishment. Just like the way Adam back backstab the btc community by partnered with axas and (((soros))).
/tinfoil.
In other words, he’s a massive troll. We all foolishly took his bait.
Just ride it out until Alex comes back, and fix this non-sense.
Well, personally I’m all out of popcorn and anyway I’m getting the feeling I’ve seen this movie before. I think cool heads need to prevail now.
This is probably a good time to mention that the mods and admins are putting the finishing touches to some basic ground rules for future projects posting on these forums. These will provide a few simple but important hoops that they must jump through before they can post, and will hopefully help all parties understand each other before we get to the shouting stage.
Jeepers, that would have to be one hell of an ‘IT consultant’ to be more qualified than the core team or any number of community members. You must realise that many members of this community will be vastly more technically competent than you are with twice as many years of experience as you’ve had years on this earth? I find it amazing that you think you are qualified to pass judgements on things after such short periods.
Each post you make reduces your credibility further. I tried quite hard to be nice and to be friendly, but I think this has all run its course again. There will be no great reveal of any worthwhile tech, this does indeed seem to be just another safex ego blowup so it probably should be locked and closed, if not deleted/removed imo.
Yea these threads must be an admin nightmare to watch and hover over delete buttons. Sorry for the noise, but I was keen to know what was being claimed and would have loved for it to be true. I think that projects involved in ICO type activity here should be able to show some kind of knowledge of SAFE with at least demo apps or commits to the codebase or similar. Anyway I am comfortable you are on the trail of improving this part. Sorry again folks, this needed teased out, it’s not a nice road to travel too often.
Are you a radio company or a development company, at the moment I see a radio company, several whitpapers, podcasts, I was credulous to believe in you.
Please, delete this thread, I do not want my name to be associated with this project.
A development architecture can not be changed as easily, if that’s the case, add notes and say why, keep a unified architecture, not podcasts.
What technology to choose, why and how. This is how we recruit developers according to their abilities. But there are only podcasts.
I am ready to leave NVO for that, if the other co-founders decides to continue with maidsafe, i will leave.
there’s too weird much stuff going on here, so I’m looking for some clarifications.