Meshnets on Maidsafe


There’s a crypto currency called solarcoin which uses the power generated by solar panels as some sort of ‘proof of work’ (don’t fully understand how they get complete verifiability/trust in the hardware), so the sun kinda mines the coins essentially, which is pretty cool I reckon :smile:

In terms of how it would be possible to incentivise the adoption and growth of a meshnet in a similar way, I kinda like the idea of earning ‘Meshcoin’ for providing data to others.


Watch this space, there could be a nice collaboration coming along that will make everyone very very happy regarding the last mile. I will know more just after Easter. Needless to say I am pretty excited and it’s not traditional mesh as you know it.


You’re a right tease…just showing a bit of leg eh? :smiley:
You do realise it will be 20 questions (minimum) till Easter…lol


I know :wink: , but will know more for sure after Easter. I feel pretty excited by a recent contact that is a very serious player, but very aligned with privacy and freedom of people and they have many many renowned installations and a lib used in many large projects. I won’t say more till after Easter though, if it works we will move to a full service, full network privacy network that can evade much of the ISP network. Last mile so not something we have done much for and maybe fate means this was gonna come to us. I hope so for all of us.


Ok everyone, let’s leave David alone on this one till after Easter and not tempt fate eh?


dunno if this is mentioned here yet or not but there is currently this in development :

"The ePlug is a tiny circuit board that enables any “ePlug Certified” electrical outlet or light switch with Meshnet (fast, free, globally decentralized internet access), deadzone-free WiFi, efficiency, crypto-income, safety and security features. Buildings and communities that utilize ePlugs essentially become one gigantic supercomputer. Bitcoin and Blockchain technology meet the Internet of Things. "

guy has some decent credentials : “Sounds hard to believe, but yes, ken invented the online Shopping Cart “app” in 1993. Google “tek9.asp” and you will see over 70,000 websites still using ken’s invention even today (over 20 years later!). His Oregon company at that time was entitled “Line9 LLC” (what was Amazon then tried enforcing their new “one click checkout” patent in 1998 and threatened ken (Line9 Corp) with a massive lawsuit if he did not stop selling his Tek9 Pro eBusiness Software immediately. When ken provided proof of use in business and his Notary dated inventions portfolio, Amazon backed off. A proud day it was to say the least.”


Yes @kenCode has been in touch and contributed to the forum so it is a project some here are familiar with. I wasn’t aware of the scrape with Amazon, hats off the Ken for standing his ground.


Thanx Nick :slight_smile:
Seems everything I invent pisses somebody off (

The ePlug project is surely not acceptable to cloud providers and ISP’s. I’m in the midst of forming a DAC for the ePlug company itself to better protect the idea than any “IP” or patent could ever do. Bitshares has really helped us out in that department.

I’ve always stood my ground and this time I am learning that it’s gonna be the fiercest fight yet. ISP’s won’t go quietly.


@kenCode is a community member.

@dirvine is a bloody tease.


Fàilte dhachaidh :smiley:


Oh heck, I think Mr @dirvine has entered labour:


Any wee bit to help :smiley:


Flashing his meshnet stockings the other day :smiley:


Friendly reminder that Easter is only one day away.


Yip I got word that the meeting I talked about is now On Thursday. No big secret really, but one of the core Zero MQ devs and author of the zero MQ books is coming to discuss use of zero mq with us. They have a meshnet like solution which we are looking to collaborate on to introduce to SAFE.

It’s pretty cool and sounds very compelling so Peiter is visiting us to discuss on Thursday, it was to be earlier but he had some issues and had to delay.

Here is the chapter of his book that got me looking down this path a few weeks back, You can see his deep understanding of the issues of mesh wireless and low level networking and after brief initial chat and emails I feel there is some great synergy. Here is a nice video that I found his desire aligned somewhat with ours and why I feel this could be a really nice fit and again increased knowledge at the networking low levels

Also a longer version with some more depth into the tech itself

Our decentralized future by a ZeroMQ founder

I luv this guy, the two of you working together makes me giddier than a little kid on Christmas.


I hope the MAID SAFE team will record this discussion. :smiley:


I think it will be a hello and nice to meet you, “here is what we do”, “show us what you do” type meeting. Probably not best for recording as it gets very 1984 at times :smiley:

Pieter is very much open collaboration / open development so all the interesting parts will be open for sure and probably discussed on here as well. There will be plenty of reading and info available, of course assuming Pieter likes the idea and wants to collaborate. I feel confident he will.


That’s the best part. :wink:


Sounds like a perfect fit:

As such a vital part of our future, WiFi has a big problem that’s not often discussed, but that anyone betting on it needs to be aware of. The phone companies of the world have built themselves nice profitable mobile phone cartels in nearly every country with a functioning government, based on convincing governments that without monopoly rights to airwaves and ideas, the world would fall apart. Technically, we call this “regulatory capture” and “patents”, but in fact it’s just a form of blackmail and corruption. If you, the state, give me, a business, the right to overcharge, tax the market, and ban all real competitors, I’ll give you 5%. Not enough? How about 10%? OK, 15% plus snacks. If you refuse, we pull service.

But WiFi snuck past this, borrowing unlicensed airspace and riding on the back of the open and unpatented and remarkably innovative Internet Protocol stack. So today, we have the curious situation where it costs me several Euro a minute to call from Seoul to Brussels if I use the state-backed infrastructure that we’ve subsidized over decades, but nothing at all if I can find an unregulated WiFi access point. Oh, and I can do video, send files and photos, and download entire home movies all for the same amazing price point of precisely zero point zero zero (in any currency you like). God help me if I try to send just one photo home using the service for which I actually pay. That would cost me more than the camera I took it on.

It is the price we pay for having tolerated the “trust us, we’re the experts” patent system for so long. But more than that, it’s a massive economic incentive to chunks of the technology sector—and especially chipset makers who own patents on the anti-Internet GSM, GPRS, 3G, and LTE stacks, and who treat the telcos as prime clients—to actively throttle WiFi development. And of course it’s these firms that bulk out the IEEE committees that define WiFi.

The reason for this rant against lawyer-driven “innovation” is to steer your thinking towards “what if WiFi were really free?” This will happen one day, not too far off, and it’s worth betting on. We’ll see several things happen. First, much more aggressive use of airspace especially for near-distance communications where there is no risk of interference. Second, big capacity improvements as we learn to use more airspace in parallel. Third, acceleration of the standardization process. Last, broader support in devices for really interesting connectivity.

Right now, streaming a movie from your phone to your TV is considered “leading edge”. This is ridiculous. Let’s get truly ambitious. How about a stadium of people watching a game, sharing photos and HD video with each other in real time, creating an ad-hoc event that literally saturates the airspace with a digital frenzy. I should be able to collect terabytes of imagery from those around me, in an hour. Why does this have to go through Twitter or Facebook and that tiny expensive mobile data connection? How about a home with hundreds of devices all talking to each other over mesh, so when someone rings the doorbell, the porch lights stream video through to your phone or TV? How about a car that can talk to your phone and play your dubstep playlist without you plugging in wires.

To get more serious, why is our digital society in the hands of central points that are monitored, censored, logged, used to track who we talk to, collect evidence against us, and then shut down when the authorities decide we have too much free speech? The loss of privacy we’re living through is only a problem when it’s one-sided, but then the problem is calamitous. A truly wireless world would bypass all central censorship. It’s how the Internet was designed, and it’s quite feasible, technically (which is the best kind of feasible).