Meshnets on Maidsafe


I look forward to seeing mesh tech installed in factory cars to allow people to use cars as a cell tower. Mesh is comming to cell phones someday.

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Could this make peer to peer mesh networking become widespread adoption in certain cases?

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Out of interest, how did you find out about deep space industries, and that project?

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Hey great minds think alike! Here’s a post I made about my concepts for how this could work.


Inter mesh link. Very cool and I think super important. Mesh of meshes.

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I’ve continued my crusade for a decentralized ISP. Follow the links in this chain and you can see what I’ve been up to.

A new token (New kind of network) is looking to pay people for routing internet traffic. I roasted them for creating their own token instead of using an established currency as payment. I strongly believe that using tokens as stocks is a better business model than using them as currency. I also encouraged them to cooperate with GoTenna Mesh which is a peice of hardware dedicated for this decentralized ISP piece.

Speaking of GoTenna Mesh, they have shown to be able to make bitcoin transactions over their hardware. They currently serve as the only decentralized ISP hardware device with no independant blockchain project so any project wishing to work with them is free game.


So, you bash on the Safe Network, then post here about it, that seems kinda odd!
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I believe you confuse criticisms with bashing. By no means do I think there is no merit to the project. I just have a few criticisms that I believe could be tweaked to improve the overall project. I provided my non-biased opinion that was derived from multiple stand-points and I’m posting here to let you guys know about them.

Now I believe you’re referring to the bit about making your own token instead of making it more of a share that pays in a crypto specifically designed to be a currency? I roasted NKN because of how late in the game they are. MAIDsafe was made when every project used this method, so its different.

Wasn’t too impressed with MaidSAFE

these projects all messed up in similar ways. They all depend on everyone having their product to work, and none of them allocate data based on where it is most commonly accessed which is an issue because P2P networks are infamous for being slow.

These seem like bashes to me, and I am no expert, but I am pretty sure that the Safe Network will be faster than regular P2P, in regards to Speed of retrieving data and saving data to the network.

In any case, I pointed out the problems with every project I mentioned. Every project I mentioned, however, is there because each one needs each other to work with another to get a fully working system that can actually replace the current one.

The SAFE network (as it’s current development is looking to go towards) will not be faster than regular P2P, in fact it will be slower than a game of “For Honor” and especially slower than a site like bitchute which uses peers to host its site’s content. This is because the data will be distributed using XOR addressing. To express why this is a problem further, allow me to quote someone from the GoTenna project:

"But after looking at Lightning, and similar protocols, they make two assumptions that must somehow be overcome :

exchanging messages with any node is essentially a free operation, because all nodes are equally connected on the internet
communication costs are negligible and an interactive protocol is ok
Neither assumption is true for a long range, but low bandwidth, mobile mesh network like goTenna."

Two things to note:

  1. This was said about bitcoin’s lightning network which only has to process transactions and not other data
  2. This may be specific for GoTenna and all but you may have noticed that net neutrality is going away and will remain true for legacy networks as well.

To top it all off, MaidSafe has been in development for 9 years and substratum is already on its coat tails. When the SAFE network is fully launched it won’t even be as competitive as its alternatives.

I came back here because this is where my mesh network journey began and I felt it was worth it to give you a kick in the rear to wake up and develop a partnership or something to get a competitive edge. I have a plan laid out to get that competitive edge, but it won’t matter if its ignored. (Hint: it has to do with restructuring the powers that grant us access to the internet itself)

Not really.
Safe:// network is public infrastructure,autonomous (without coat tails).
And without passwords going across networks.

Has Substratum got any coat tails?

How (and where) do you login, without eg; self
authentication? Just curious.

So that verbage was supposed to portray that they aren’t there yet but they’re so close its scary. They’ve been developing since last year and they’re in private beta. Not to say that they’ve caught up. Also, the public infrastructure of MAIDsafe is currently hosted on a single server. Not distributed like its final product will be.

The authentication thing probably isn’t a good thing…I can see it potentially being worse than cookies. I’m not here to say the project is a total loss though. I came here to present an opportunity that would make the project competitive.

Not correct. The only thing is Maidsafe is running all the NODEs at the moment. Not that they are running one server. Alpha 4 will see all of us running nodes at home again

Sounds like you don’t realise what is actually happening. The point is that there is no central point that can be attacked to prevent you logging in. There is zero footprint left on the device unless you actually store something on the machine. Unlike cookies or any other similar thing. And noone can say your account is closed.


Well those of us who participated in a testnet with vaults/nodes at home might disagree with you on how slow things were. I can let others tell you that it wasn’t slow like you describe. Sp we have experience and you have your views/quotes of other systems and superimposing their experience on the safe network.


Alright well…I hope your shit works. >_<

Well everyone thinks their farts don’t smell. :wink:


How did we get here from orginally talking about developing meshnets on maidsafe? Topic seems to have meandered a bit don’t you think?