This is the same I think about, not all are fanatics and ultra optimistic about releases…
I think of it like a car. If there are no vaults from home its like not even got an engine. You can sit in it in your garage and dream. At some point the car works but is not “user friendly” The original Fleming design was a car that didn’t even work yet. Now they are saying it will be one a normal person can drive. Of course next step is add more features, but I think getting it to the point anyone can use it is huge. My belief is they were thinking ok so we are gonna be funded by MAID then what parameters does Fleming need so that more people will be attracted to the project and we will have constant new MAID buyers.
Even if you want to sell, you can’t. Number of Exchanges trading maid is very limited.
People’s expectations or evaluations for that matter are so drastically different. End of 2020? That would be amazing but seems u likely. Others above say 2025-2030, for a full network that seems drastic. The US reorganized the aeronautics program in 1958 to create NASA. 11 years later they landed humans on the moon. Perhaps I don’t appreciate the complexity sometimes of this project but if it took to 2030, that’s nearly 25 years. Seems like eternity quite honestly. Even 15 years seems quite absurd.
We all know the team hate giving times things are going to be completed.
Now I could be wrong here, and I’m certainly not gonna go searching for the quote.
But I’m fairly sure David did say he expected release within a year.
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Even Google was in Beta for years but it was still usable. I expect the same for SafeNet
There is no race to build a decentralized autonomous Network by the four major corporations who now control the internet.
Its not part of their business plan. And there are no crypto start-ups I know that are anywhere near catching up to MAIDSAFE.
When day trading, best to follow andyypants, and buy the worry dips. Hold and wait. Your reward is coming.
I don’t think a current major company is trying to because it would hurt their core and I also don’t think a crypto start up is on a path that can challenge what is being built by maidsafe. People aren’t that bright though and I could envision a scenario where a crypto startup builds something that or already is, that is accepted as “the standard” and that’s that. Not because it’s fully decentralized or the best but simply Bc it’s first to market. I mean at this point are we even sure that bitcoin is the “best”, it’s where it is because it was first and had a 5 year head start. That’s all I’m saying.
I have no interest in day trading, I’m in it for the haul.
I always thought why would a centralized exchange embrace a DEX. That goes against their model of charging fees on every trade. But Binance put one out a while back and now polo. I think what they figured is that the future is DEXs so lets at least encourage people to pick “our” DEX. I could see a big tech company likewise deciding decentralized data is the future, so its time to make our business plan fit with that.
Once we have our prototype with Fleming I think anyone else doing it just helps us. Get the idea out in the mainstream media then when people research it they find out hey we already got this dream network google is just proposing right now.
You mean the DeX they bought running on tron?
They will make money of it somehow.
I think shifting business models is always part of any businesses growth. Go back to the mid 80’s when you had to call your stock broker on the phone and they would only place trades for you in dimes and quarters and take the spread. Then brokerages opened up that charged set fees for trades and at pennies. Now many brokerages have no fees for certain trades but make up money through margin, customers with large balances, shorting ect. I guess my point is in that situation you could see the evolution as technology and people changed. I think this is slightly different because for google or fb if they don’t have my data, they don’t have a model. How do they follow me? Give me suggestions of items to buy on amazon? Sell information to people who will pay top dollar? In my stock broker example they just finagled a new way to gain those fees, I’m not sure if you removed data as the lifeblood that the model holds up as time progresses.
well it could be their model is “decentralized data” ala farming from home type system… but the farming still sends data back to Amazon HQ so they know what to sell me. That might be the reason WHY they put out their own. At least if its theirs they can try to sneak in some limitations on privacy like that.
Yes @bones I mean the tron one. At least they make money when people buy TRX to trade on the DEX. Right now the volume is crap though… so I bought a bit on the theory 100M of investment can find a way to at least grow that market some lol.
I hope we’ll see a release before but honestly I won’t be surprised to see it around 2025… Come on guys they do a very great work but seeing the project velocity for the last year’s, you cannot except a release in 2020/2021.
We certainly can. So very much has been done over the years, this is just the last few pieces.
we will see at least a release of a working prototype much sooner with Fleming. Sure I would give them another 5 years to polish it, but at that point they should have the runway if people are trying the prototype and investing in MAID…
Look at it this way, right now their runway is no where near 5 years with current MAID prices. So they either get something done sooner or never. The only way they end up with a nice long runway to make it to final version release is get something usable out soon and start growing a userbase.
So what? They will ask money again, this is not the firdt time…
So what? You will complain again, this is not the first time…
There fixed that for ya, no thanks required.
Once we have launched a live secure network, maidsafe will start earning coin.
Why would they ask for us to help fund them again?
The issue is “once they have lunched the live Network”… Nobody know if and when it will happen.