It was way more than that, no data chains, no parsec, no secure message relay, not fully encrypted comms, no udp hole punching (it was upnp and direct), no bootstrap cache etc. etc . Much of that will be alpha3 and all the alpha3 work is putting these things in place to secure a routing network.
With vaults on top then farming does add to the security and is an empirical part, however without a secure routing underneath the safecoin security vanishes to zero.
The ‘easy’ bit you refer to was recently being discussed, and has already been paused to await the outcome of the hard bit, which you haven’t mentioned.
Also, these things are laid out as a list to make it easier to talk about them, not because that’s the way things are.
They are interdependent, and to present them the way you have to make a point which depends on them being independent is therefore misleading, trying to prove something you want to be true, but which isn’t, and in so doing unfairly portraying Maidsafe as not knowing what they are doing.
I’m afraid it’s you that doesn’t appreciate what those items are or what needs to be done to fit all those pieces together into a functioning network.
Every time someone says something like ‘it doesn’t need to be perfect, just get a basic network out there and build on that’, they show this lack of understanding, and mislead others into the same mistake.
So I’m sorry to be blunt, but I think it needs to be said, especially when valued community members who have been around so long say things which promote that misunderstanding, and by implication criticise Maidsafe on a false premise.
Agreed. A network that isn’t safe won’t be SAFE.
No matter how loud the kids yell “Are we there yet?” when going on a (fun) family vacation, it doesn’t make the car reach the destination faster. However, it does annoy the driver/navigator and distracts them from keeping their eyes on the road. I usually tell my kids that if they are quiet and take a nap, then the car will be able to engage the hyperdrive and move so fast we will be at grandma’s house when they wake up. Otherwise, they need to sit back, relax and enjoy the journey. (Which includes lot’s of fun discussion, songs, arguments, debates, snacks, and vacation planning 
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Thanks @dirvine and @happybeing for giving additional context here. Looks like I didn’t fully appreciate everything that goes into it.
And you’re right @happybeing it’s not what I wanted to be true 
Was extremely careful not to criticise anyone, & just strongly wished to see things take a different turn if it would be possible.
But I still might continue to support the efforts to make such a network at some point though, because it would be extremely exciting, despite being unsecure or reliable for SafeCoin. I also think that doing so is very in line with the original vision and direction of the project.
There nothing wrong with you or anybody putting together a network like that, it just isn’t what Maidsafe are building, won’t be S. A. F. E. and so will be of limited use (and won’t help get SAFE Network faster).
Thanks for the apology. I’m impatient too, but lucky not to be as affected by the long timescales as some, including yourself probably. Take care Will
“It turns out that first-mover advantage is mostly a myth…”
I have gotten impatient at times, but primarily because I kept having expectations of each and every year “definitely” being the time for release, based on, well, me, and probably everyone in the community, not being used to dealing with a project like this. As the years have now reached much more of the peak of development/release, especially for those following every step of the way: you can now look back with a historical and personal perspective as to why you were wrong about your expectations. Now that more RFCs etc. have been idealized and completed for the realization of the entire system, && based on said history of time taken to complete, you can extrapolate that it’ll be more like 2020—rather than “omg it’s definitely going to be completed this year, this month, or even tomorrow!”—before a significant number of public test nets are completed to ensure maximum working as planned for the whole system. So basically if you don’t know or don’t have experience in why time has taken as it has, well, idk what to say… just know that every month something happens, but there are many somethings to happen still. Month by month indicators are an extremely good detail to pay attention to, rather than week to week. Network completion might happen next year; but just know that public tests are unknown territory, which is, well, unknown, and based on my post you know that unknowns lead to shaky expectations.
And then during/after 2020 you have public awareness and whatever else, which ideally should be extremely fast, like, say, a torrent! But you never know… but, in this case, it’s almost like you should just know that this thing will be more wild than a wildfire…! 'Suppose I overlooked app development though, which takes time, too, so that the wildfire will have more appeal… more APPeal… .
Now I’m just rambling.
This I agree with basically. That’s many times what you hear from people who have no idea what is technically required for a feat to work as expected.
However, I personally think it is much more complicated than that. Sometimes there’s no perfect way or answer, and I consider this to be such a case:
Ideally, you have all the time needed to make it “perfect” (in the reasonable sense of the word, i.e. things work the way we want).
But at the same time, there are so many things showing up when running things in production, that you simply won’t cover with that path, and it changes your notion of what the feat should do. Finding these things before release would make you go about it differently.
And there’s really no good way to have both or just one. You’re damned either way 
I looked everywhere for the ass that said that and found not a trace so it’s clearly a manipulation of words to suit your cause. Your manufactured quote serves only you and is a disservice to your team. I did find a reference to no timelines or performance milestones being a pretty good gig. This is exactly the model you operate under and no amount of your BS can change the fact that business model is (edit) extremely desirable but unsustainable.
That’s my point. Nowhere is there a reference to speeding up production. Nowhere is there reference to expecting a completion date. Nowhere have I suggested the challenges that you and your team face are easy. Nowhere have I suggested you will not succeed.
Just another entertaining and masterful spin…The picture becomes more clear each time you attack the messenger. (Edit) Just to clarify this statement. "Your story for the last 12 years has been repeated millions of times by millions of people. "The point I was trying to make was that millions of people have started companies, mllions of times, and in the same way you have, endless hours, days,… etc
Have a little respect.
I’m happy with the vibrant outcome and my contribution.
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How quaint 
How mature. How telling.
I see you are ignoring the point(s). You cannot insult somebody with 75% of your message and ask for respect, I am big enough to handle your insults and that is fine, but others may not and I hope you hear that message loud and clear. It really is time you did.
Ditto. I expect you understand my point. It was clear. Particularly the part about manipulating my comment to push your narrative.
I’m just fine thanks. I don’t need coaching.
Particularly the part about directly quoting me
There fixed that for you and it’s much better than your claim of
Or would you prefer not to be directly quoted? I am a bit lost as to your demands here.
Oh don’t get me wrong, I was not offering.
Hilarious. Keep typing. Keep up this charade. It’s not really that important for me. I know you are probably caught up on everything. What else?
BigBTC is a Big B I T C H.
I’ll take the fall for you man, @dirvine
Anyway there’s no escaping the vacuum now. Even if all points were covered in ways which both parties find desirable (primarily for the party of bigbtc because he needs 100% confirmation on how much of a petty twerp he can be) it makes no difference. The whole thing is beyond ridiculous. Enjoy your privacy freedom and security, dumb bastard
@BIGbtc, what are you doing?
This is just ridiculous.
You’re going at it too hard, noone will take that. You can hit it as much as you want, it’s just gonna hit back.
Go back to the drawing table and think of something useful to do.
Totally agree.
And I appreciate your comments.
And this is not how it should be here.
Unfortunately it’s not just me instigating or throwing the punches. I didn’t make it personal.
So after the “piling on” in this thread is over, this will resume a normal discourse. I will return to commenting on things I know about. Offering my expertise. Ignoring some things, getting passionate about others.
My style is not to follow the herd. My view is critical.
“Useful” is not pushing love buttons😉
Again, I appreciate this comment and others from you.
Edit: I’ll add that the comment about paycheck, luxury of no timelines and no performance milestones was made in response to a comment about how hard Maidsafe work. This was not a topic I created. Although I stand by it, and feel it’s not an inappropriate comment, it was not meant to start anything with anyone. But I’m like David, I can take the insults.
His main “concern” is that a CEO should be responding in “professional” manner, as if CEOs can’t have their own personality. You don’t see anyone else taking on this particular effort, not a single person even considering it. Maybe one unique mind deserves some slack for any faults. One can learn or one cannot, doesn’t null any extraneous circumstance, whether intentionally provoked or unintentionally.
And apparently some concern that the funding model could be better. Maybe he said which one would be better, but I don’t remember it between the copious spitballing or whatever nonsense.