Is bandwidth reaching a limit?

It would be curious to know if decentralization and opportunistic Caching provided my MaidSAFE will be adequate to make this problem better? Or will ‘Cloudizing’ of our everyday files make matters worse?

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Good question. I’m not sure how using “large server farms” (article) would help, unless they are like SAFE Network - moving the data to where it is needed, which means decentralised.

8 years is an eternity in IT technology. We are nowhere near the theoretical limits of how much information we can get through an optical link. The theoretical limits are measured in petabits per second, and we’re still dealing with single terabits per second in production systems. So there are still three orders of magnitude to go before we start brushing up against any physical limits.
Furthermore, power usage per unit of processing capacity is decreasing at an exponential rate. While we’re certainly building more and more internet infrastructure, every new generation brings power usage down and the actual power usage per data center has remained fairly constant as far as I’m aware.
This is just the usual fearmongering from the press.

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This seems similar to what the P-Cell guy said, about how using current technology, demand will exceed physical capacity.

See about 4:50

But I agree that eight years gives plenty of time to research and find new ways.

This has to be an artificial scarcity scam to prop up cap nonsense and sponsor pipes. There is still an ocean of unlit fiber. This may also be a scam to try to impose unneeded property mechanisms on white space. Stuff like PCell aims to create a glut and reverse even the artificial chrunch. These people are taliking traffic and likely trying to create toll road arguements for corporate wellfare,. We need to eliminate the business models of these toll pipe players.

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Scarcity is not always artificial.

There is plenty of water in the US - but that doesn’t water my Orange trees…

It takes electricity to light fiber. It takes electricity to power data centers and routers. If I am not mistaking, this is one of the talking points for MaidSAFE – Data centers are wasteful consumers of electricity… It is not at all unfeasible that 16% of the electricity is being used in datacenters.

The next level of bandwidth has always been “Scientifically impossible” But they always do find a way…

@warren
Lack of Toll roads is the primary cause of scarcity. Lack of tolls is corporate welfare…

One of the strengths of the MaidSAFE network is that it does impose a insignificant toll that ought to prevent needless overuses and spam.

Why do you think it is a scam, aside from the fact that it fits your narrative? Do you know these scientists? Do their points not make sense?

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Distributed, hybrid client/server technology could have some positive results here.

Not having dedicated kit means there are fewer single purpose devices to produce, which saves energy. Moreover, having many tiny servers can be more efficient than big monolithic servers (you can use commodity, rather than specialist hardware).

Distributing servers closer to where the data is needed should result in less energy (shorter distance). Using distributed commodity network gear, rather than high end centralised gear should also help.

The final mile is probably the distributed network’s weak link, but that sounds like it is going to improve sharply soon too.

I was looking for Warren’s rebuttal on this page and sure enough, here it is :smile:
Nothing to worry about!

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@jreighley oh right the tragedy of the commons as the reason for not having a commons. As potential member of the up coming SAFE commons I wont forget to bill myself.

Don’t forget the heat from home systems reduces the power needed to heat rooms, this can be quite a significant cost saver in colder regions, especially considering the amount of power used in big data centres to actually cool the systems.

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@Seneca

Don’t forget the heat from home systems reduces the power needed to heat rooms, this can be quite a significant cost saver in colder regions, especially considering the amount of power used in big data centres to actually cool the systems.

There’s a company that installs server racks in homes - they fit on the wall and look like radiators - to exploit this effect.

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