Is 'App' the right lingo for SAFE?


Yes, I often hear “web app”, specially to discriminate them from “desktop app”.


Prog, no but “gram” from program, yes. Like a telegram, it’s a safegram. Pronounced “safe - eh - gram” or "safe - E - gram " just for giggles. Not sure if this works as an “app killer”, but definitely a fun for someone’s chat or mail app, er… I mean someone’s <insert app-killer name here>. :wink:

Other thought-trains on “Prog” :
Prog -> Frog -> hatch -> hatchling -> Ling -> Lingo -> Flamingo …

Ling, Safe Ling, Safeling, Safelingo? Again… not app-killers but fun. :blush:


Apps and websites are synonymous with web based tools. No reason to change IMHO.


Except for the fact that the SAFE network is replacing the top three and a half layers of the internet. They are not websites, they are safesites. So we’re not talking about “web based tools”; they are “safe based tools”. As for App, why stay shackled to a marketing buzz word made popular by Apple? A new system like SAFE deserves and is worthy of its own new buzz, is it not? At least this was my rationale for the OP…


Web App = mesh app :slight_smile: (not yet, tho)



Apps and websites are missing the point of the network. It’s not about the container, it’s about the content, the data. Compared to everything else, data on Safe is available to everyone on a global scale. The essence of safe “apps” is to create overlapping layers of data. Apps could be seen as simple layers that you setup in order to wrap some data together. Anyone can change a layer to fit his goals. Anyone can overlap a new layer to add a feature to the data. Layers are highly flexible and customizable.

It’s simply the result of the fact that Safe is a giant database. People will naturally start layering data soon enough.

Therefore, Safe has layers: Safe Layers.

Cheers :wink:


Hmhmm it you think of safe as a secured bay in evil Internet Ocean out there the apps could count as drops / tears that fill up the bay

(and being secured by safe apps is supposed to be as easy as just dropping them on your pc / mobile and just start them - from the outside each drop looks like the other - and it’s not even easy to differentiate a drop from the safe Bay from a data drop outside of the bay)


I get that but you risk everything in trying to be trendy just to come up with your own thing. Who cares its not fashion. The tech will take care of itself if the kids decide to call it or parts of it something else in the future good for them but I don’t think it has any shred of importance. Sorry.


How about just using the word “program” for, you know, programs.




You have it reversed. By definition, using “App” is the case where one is trying to be trendy. I wasn’t born with “App” in my vocabulary; I’ve seen it creep into popular use like a virus and it would be just as nice to see it crawl away as it’s not that genius of a term no matter what the folks at Apple think.

It’s ok to come up with your own thing if it is better than the current trend. Isn’t SAFE all about “coming up with your own thing”? Safe will have a learning curve for most people no matter what. Isn’t it better to clearly define terms to get people thinking in terms of the safenet, while treating the oldnet as a bad memory that should be forgotten?

I’m not quite sure what @goindeep means by “risk everything”… I’m not suggesting changing anything in code. The “safe_app” repo can stay named just as it is, maybe just change the “Authenticated Apps” heading to the “Safe Store” or “Authenticated #Whatever” in Peruse for whatever other marketing terms might arise out of probing in this direction…

Yes… nice clean pure water “droplets” or “drops” do have nice imagery with regard to “being safe” or “having safeness” but that the wording/terminology has largely been taken over by Digital Ocean.


loch does not work in German… especially if arse is in front of it… lol :wink:

(it also means opening or hole or orfice in German)


Not to rain on anyone’s parade but fyi everyone - Droplets is already used by VM hosting service Digital Ocean which is number #1 or #2 worldwide according to Netcraft for this type of hosting…


Ok, I am not sure this has been mentioned before, but here goes



Agree 100% with your comment re the need for an integrated SAFE/Solid/Pillar model to drive the “shift away from an app/application which controls the data it creates to a data layer which we as people own, and separate interchangeable tools/services working from a Linked data/RDF/common data standard (your Linked Data API for JavaScript - supporting SAFE Network URIs (safe://)”?

When I first heard of the internet in the early 90’s (showing my age now) my initial thought was … fantastic, we’ll all get a space on the internet i.e. our own private vault which I called a Universal Information account (UIA) which can’t be taken away from us, where we own our data (including our genetic makeup) and engage with multiple interchangable tools/services!! As Nick has lamented in various articles it has gone in completely the opposite direction and describes the need in his POC 4 blog for a model for a community led movement to drive the change you describe and which Safe enables!

It’s interesting to note that timbl has designed Solid and is promoting the Solid platform ability to decouple content from the application itself as the next evolution of the internet. In a recent article Tim Berners-Lee gave the example of a legal firm need for Solid and commented that he is eager to see which community will be first to adopt SOLID principles.

I recently send Nick some material re a Council smart city IOT opportunity for a Solid/safe platform in Australia. The Council’s need is for Regional Management platform which separates data from the applications to enable them to access multiple IOT providers across 14 generic categories without vendor lock within a decentralised autonomous network. This is projected to create an “efficiency dividend of $100ml p.a. after 10 years in one Council (a larger one). Multiply this by 500 Council across Australia and more in the UK for example and it becomes very significant. Councils are seeking an “open data” solution which also supports inter regional and industry data exchange. This is a natural business case and systemic starting point for a Solid Safe path you describe i.e. maximising profits through system efficiencies combined with a model which systemically shares the benefits back to the community!!

This Council smart city IOT opportunity is in context of our CommunityLink model and “pitch” as follows… CommunityLink is a breakthrough Open Data Ecology (ODE) model that provides true data ownership to address global & local systemic issues via a Design Model for Global Cooperation established and deployed by a representative user established Unidroit style (global legal unification) “Unidata CommunityLink Foundation” (UCL). Leveraging a uniquely engineered decentralised autonomous network the UCL Model provides a structured approach to build a truly connected open data ecology with governance which enables safe inter community data sharing to secure cooperation & efficiency benefits not currently possible.

I have described this in some detail in comments to David’s The Impossible Network and Beyond a copy of the Internet blogs.

I note your work with Solid and the connection between the Solid platform and safenetwork backend you have created. I’m keen to understand how can this be applied to our Council UCL IOT prototype requirement? Our recommendation is that a Hypercat style UCL Foundation Development consortium (Solid , Maidsafe, Hypercat, Webalyst partners with ULBH team) establish a Project UCL github new project to drive the Project ICT development requirement which creates a systemic distribution channel for each of the partners.

I’m close to completing a beta Project UCL site which is very similar to the Solid site with a landing page the describes What is UCL? and What does UCL offer? (business model which links both solid & safe) and scroll down from here will be our version of
 Showcase …. Which for us will be the UCL Council IOT testnet prototype
 Meet our team – Introduce both Org and engineering team
 Sponsorship – Where we present to sponsors
The objective being to illustrate to key partners the project opportunity, how we secure it, how it will be implemented (UCL github repository etc), the benefits to them and how we will promote them …. to secure their participation and support

I will send you a safenetwork forum personal message to intro myself and the Project UCL and provide a link to the ULB beta site which gives a top down/promo explanation to start a conversation.


Program. As mentioned further up the topic, ‘program’ was around long before the Apple-ication of every and all things computing on a personal level.


Safelet is a fun one. “Run your Safelet on Safenet!” I wonder if we would want
to consider that term more for when computation kicks in. Then we could ride the coat tails of the
DO droplets marketing and offer “safelet” VM instances…? I’m unsure if it is better to sound similar or different. Things that are too much the same and you are a copycat, too new and it’s too hard for the general public to transition…

Since a lot of people really want App or Apps, I was thinking the term “Op” or “Opt” might sound
similar enough but still be simple in description.

Safe Ops
Safe Opts

Basically referring to “operations” that are performed with data, or “optics” by which to view data, or “options” for playing with data. Sounds better than “Safe Rations” or “Safe Tics” at least…

It would be best to spell this like “Opts” and pronounce it like “Opps” that way no one says it like “Safe Oops” which starts to be counterproductive for a “secure” marketing image and sound like other less attractive things you warned about with regard to german “loch” use…

Also, there is already an “/opt” folder in the filesystem heirarchy standard where some of these things would be customarily installed on the client computer.

“On SAFE we run Opts rather than play Apps?”

Since “Dapps” is a buzz word lately, could we also buzz up some “Dops” or “Dopts”? Probably not, but this starts to sound similar to @riddim’s “drops”.

Safe Drops = Safe [D]istributed [R]emote [Op]eration[s]

Yes, still too much like digital ocean.

Going back to the idea of water drops or droplets or @riddim’s tears, you could think of
someone drinking little sips of water (or kool-aid) from a giant resevoir. So I mention this half-jokingly just for fun…

Safe Sips ?

  • [S]loppy [i]nternet [p]rogram[s]
  • [S]ecure [i]nterplanetary [p]rogram[s]
  • [S]upple [i]nteractive [p]rogram[s]
  • [S]eriously [i]ntelligent [p]rogram[s]


Yeah “safelet” is cute


Let it be done the safe way :roll_eyes::zipper_mouth_face:

Ps: Or we go for something more aggressive and go for the non-stoppability or just a little bit provoking instead of the ‘nice neighbour’ :thinking:


pand(emic )a(pp)s - pandemics - symbol is a panda

ps: i think i need this printed as a poster xD