If I am forced to, jailed if not, or simply prefer to adhere to national laws for my site/app on the safe network, is it then preferable and possible for the safe network to limit the copyparts of my site/app to only certain nations?

Suppose my website breaks a law of a foreign nation that my country doesn’t have, I vehemently disagree with and would never vote for, but thanks to Maidsafe pieces of my website will be in every single nation in the world, thus likely to be under scrutiny of all of them.

How will Maidsafe tackle this problem?
Can I perhaps have my website be restricted to be available for hosting to the nation(s) of my choice?

Or is Maidsafe’s secret goal to turn the whole world into having the same laws applied everywhere, regardless of what I vote for in my own nation?
Or perhaps one step further, will Maidsafe use this issue as a springboard for a world government advocacy? Or let other organisations use this issue as a springboard for the formation a world government?

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Okay, so clearly people don’t get the potential issues.
So I’ll list some examples:

  1. I run an auction site.
    One of my sellers from China sells state-of-the-art drones.
    My buyer is from Iran.
    I myself am from Germany.

  2. I am a 14-year old girl from Sweden and I make mock death threats to people outside of my country.
    2.1 I tell America Airlines on social media that I am Yalik Abudja
    and that I will bomb the airplanes.
    2.2 I tell North Korea Airlines on social media that I am Kim Yung Un’s illegitimate son
    and that I will bomb the airplanes.

  3. I run a gambling site and I want my site to be located in the Cayman Islands,
    so I pay the lowest amount of taxes.

  4. I run a site cartoon pornography site that includes drawings depicting minors.

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I’m asking as a product user that wonders if I need a feature request to limit the scope of where my site or application can be copied to, that is to say within the borders my country of that of the EU, so I don’t have to deal with Russian/Chinese/US laws.

And of course, if so, is it possible and desireable for Maidsafe team to give users the ability limit the reach of their applications and sites on the safe network to national borders?

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Tor does this, they would restrict the network usage not the individual sites.

Our goal is worldwide access to all data and personal protection of your own data and communications. I personally think we all should be able to access all public information all the time with no penalty. If some country has laws over what you can read then it is backwards. If(when) people post obscene things then we should all be free to ignore/block them.

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It is up to you what you will publish. If you think that some content is not for all, You have to make own Term of use and gently ask them to not visit your site.

Or like:
Are you 18+ ? Yes/No

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ya that totally stopped me from looking at porn when I was 16. Yep I definitely never just pressed that yes button to see some boobs as a horny 16 yr old. Who would do that!?

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=) glad to hear additional proof this concept works :ok_hand:

In the end it’s the people’s duty to respect the laws that have been made by the people they voted for/they support in their power :slight_smile: SAFE can never know all the laws in all the countries and do this on behalf of the people…

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The air you breathe, is the obvious analogy.

The key will be the tools that provide choice… without encouraging echo chambers.

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Who should be your kid’s Nanny - your parents or the state?

There will surely be software to help people avoid sites/data which isn’t considered safe for children, legal, etc. Adults will need to take responsibility for this, instead of deferring it to someone else (I.e. the state).

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my view is if you are old enough to use the internet you are old enough to see whats on it. Then again maybe that’s just my generation. What age are kids online now? Like 7?

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We all know that technology moves much faster than law. What tech has been doing for decades is giving chance to people from all over the world to compare the values/laws of their countries and change them inspired by others. I think that SafeNetwork will not just change how people will look at freedom of communication and data but it will also push many laws to align to its values. It’s a direct consequence

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I’d say that is irresponsible, but that is just my opinion. The point is, it is up to the guardian of the child to protect those who they are responsible for. This may be a personal judgement or a law. Either way, they must take responsibility.

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So countries shouldn’t have any laws to censor things, but you and others should… including companies… that listen to the laws of their country and that of those from others to maximize their customers, thus they opt for streamlined laws all over the world and voila, your let organizations use this issue as a springboard for the formation of a world government or that of the strongest nation, which many people can’t vote for.

@folaht, this was the big question in the 90’s for the internet and it all sorted itself out and later on got stuffed up by too much meddling and governments and countries trying to go way past their laws.

For instance governments now want social media companies to censor all sorts of things. Some we may agree with and some we do not. But I think we can agree that the governments have now started overreaching too much.

But still today you can access things that would be illegal in your/my/other country(s) if we looked for them.

Many of the concepts and ideas around this question has been discussed elsewhere including

And I am wondering if perhaps the conversation is best there so that the issues are all there.

But specifically like the internet backbone SAFE is the protocols and storage and as such do not control the information stored or accessed. It is at the application layer (APPs & Sites) that will be concerned with national laws and as such they are the ones to deal with the issue and not the SAFE network, just like we don’t have governments trying to control TCP/IP or NNTP or NTP or SMTP protocols. They try to control the apps and information flowing across these protocols. SAFE is no different.

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@neo
They need to change their topic title.
The thread started in 2016 and their last post is from three months ago.
That’s not recent. And societal implications is rather vague when talking about national laws.
So I wasn’t able to find their thread.

Is it possible to merge my threads with theirs and have the topic name changed?

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But it is still relevant and appropriate because national laws are part of societal implications. Unless you are suggesting national laws are not relevant to how society behaves.

Did you read what I said in essence of how the network is affected?

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My issue is that’s it’s relevant, but not the key tags I would search for.

I can change the key tags if you tell me. But I did answer you in what I consider important and how the actual safenetwork is not affected by national laws. Did you read it?

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Just now.
Yes. I understand that Maidsafe will have their hands clean at all times.
I’m asking as a product user that wonders if I need a feature request to limit the scope of where my site or application can be copied to.

As said above it will be then upto the application and the user. Basically what we have now on the internet and how the app is written and used will determine a lot of that. So really 1000’s of answers if you want to be specific.

Follow the laws of you country when you use an application will be the general rule. If the use of that application is illegal to be used in your country then the decision is yours. If not illegal then it can be used by people in your country without problems from the law.

Thus as you suggest if there is an issue then asking for a feature to be added to make it legal might be your only option.

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No it is not possible for the SAFE network to limit anything to a country or region.

That would break one or more fundamentals.

Not to mention the coding required which is then overcome with a VPN

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