Hong Kong Protests

The so-called “democracy” protesters of Hong Kong need no help from MaidSafe. The CIA is already , not only assisting them, but in fact originating these violent, murderous and above all, illegal actions.
I think you believe too much of what you are fed from your media.
These so-called “democrats” are only interested in one thing, trying to destabilise the legitimate government of China and perpetuate the colonial legacy of the Brit annexation of Hong Kong, forced from China at the point of a gun back in the 19th century. The Chinese government are to be commended for showing admirable restraint in the face of western provocation. Hopefully when the ringleaders are identified and brought to justice, hefty sentences will be imposed.
Now, have you not got a Russian bogeyman to get scared about instead?

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… from China point of view, they are getting Hong Kong back after an agreed period of time, after it was forced from them. Difficult to argue against that.

… from a citizens point of view, they want the lifestyle the Brit annexation lead to. Is it fair to say maybe the Brits should hand out UK passports to the Hong Kong citizens to make things right? I think the protestors could be protesting against the wrong country. They should be given the option by the UK to continue to live the lifestyle back in the UK.

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They are not white enough to be given a precious blue Brit passport(printed in Poland).

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Man there are places in the UK where you can play Spot the White person for hours

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Do you moonlight writing for the Daily Mail?
https://youtu.be/exHsgb4Q3RQ?t=58

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I don’t think they need any help from the CIA for that. All the years of living under British rule has made the culture diverge a lot from mainland China and made the political views of people in Hong Kong more like those of the UK than those of mainland China.

Imagine if the EU was as authoritarian as China. Don’t you think people would be even more eager to Brexit?

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such touching naivety…

yeah… just imagine

Who is eager to leave? No me, pal, nor anyone else with a shred of decency, sense and knowledge of history.
We have an under-educated lumpen having their prejudices pandered to by a right-wing press who have fooled the ignorant into thinking they are getting it up the elites by voting for Brexit when its the elites that want Brexit to avoid upcoming EU tax crackdown.
Still if you are more worried about the whiteness of your neighbourhood and the bendiness of your bangers and bananas than having the NHS handed over to the US insurance industry and eating sub-standard Yank modified protein products, just you keep on keeping on, boy.
Just don’t expect not to get called out for your ignorance and naivety.

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Re Brexit
So you only like democracy when it goes your way?

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That’s a massive generalisation. I’m educated and voted leave. Not that It matters as each persons vote counts as much as the next.

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Being “educated” doesn’t automatically give you sense. I know people who are privately educated and are completely devoid of any sense and vice versa I know people who didn’t go to school and are very successful and sharp as nails.

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Trojan horse attacks happen outside the realm of the digital , too! I think Europeans don´t have mirrors to see what they are, what they have built !Now just out of pity (?)they´re letting the enemy take over their lands little by little (face it, it is the truth) . one day it will be too late, the ones who let the doors open won´t be around anymore and nobody will know how things got to be so messy! I , as a Brazilian, am very protective of my country if anyone wants to come here he/she must come a contribute to our society and follow our way of life, because as I perceive it , the radicals won´t change their views! In fact they demand that Europe changes theirs…! Our nation here is moving towards what we want, we don´t want socialism, global agenda or anyone telling us what to do…I was in England when I was a teenager, I wanted very much to stay ,go to university and be productive to the UK, be a scientist or something , but I was denied that in 1989, now I see anyone just moving into any country in Europe doing whatever they want to do… personally I see no benefit in that because I know there is turbulance ahead… but I still like EU very much!.. So, pardon my words - in case anyone is offended! ( I am not against foreigners or anything , I just prefer things to be a little more organized… with a purpose, organic growth. Nature never skips stages)

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afaik you don’t really let the Indigenous, who once let you in, live their way of life (face it, it is the truth) and turning your country into soya factory while talking about nature’s stages (it’s even more true, really).

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In case you haven´t you noticed I am of indigenous origin, too! I am not against changes, it is just the way Europe is being treated… I think a bit of respect would you the EU some good, that´s all, but don´t expect people to respect you if you don´t stand for it…

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shall we open another thread to discuss what really goes on here in the Amazon area? I can tell you a lot you don´t know about…and how you guys are misled by world greed for the riches we posses and how indigenous tribes are kept as cave men so they can pull on the heart strings of people that will support any hidden purpose to steal from Brazil…

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shall we open another thread to discuss what really goes on here in Europe? I can tell you a lot you don´t know…and how you guys are misled by (…)

edit: sorry for trying to be mean. I shouldn’t reply in the first place as I’m not qualified to talk about those topics, so i leave this conversation. have a nice day.

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The CIA may like to meddle with things around the world and even if you could prove disinformation campaigns by the CIA to influence the public opinion in Hong Kong, you’d be hard pressed to prove that protests wouldn’t have happened anyway. The CCP and Hong Kong government is perfectly capable of massively pissing off it’s own people. Maybe the CIA has been pushing the view that the extradition treaty would be used to ship political dissidents in Hong Kong to China, maybe not. I don’t know and I don’t think you do either and even if they did, many people in Hong Kong is pretty paranoid about the Chinese government and it’s unlikely they wouldn’t be paranoid about this all by themselves. There’s a reason there’s been waves of mass migrations from Hong Kong.

The Hong Kong government wouldn’t even need this extradition treaty if it was for its stated purposes. As I understand it, British law is such that a UK citizen can go on a murderous rampage in some foreign country and if they go home without being caught and that country has no extradition treaty with the UK, they can’t be punished for it. In many other European countries if you do something that’s illegal in your home country when you’re abroad, you can be tried and sentenced in your home country when you go home. Hong Kong law is based on British law, but if the Hong Kong government wanted to avoid the paranoia of their own people they could instead amend their criminal law to be similar to that of other European countries than the UK.

While the west have been going in a more authoritarian direction lately, the EU is not yet sending millions of people to “reeducation” camps, blocking large parts of the internet and so on.

Would you still feel that way if staying meant strict capital controls, no buying of crypto, strict controls of traveling abroad, strict censorship and firewalling of large parts of the internet and possibility of going to jail for using a VPN?

I thought the legitimate government of China was presently in exile on Taiwan…

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You may consider yourself educated but the plain and simple truth of it is you believed a lie .The leave campaign was based on lies, hypocrisy and sold as a “get it up you” to the “elites” who were in fact bank-rolling the whole thing to ensure that the UKs stupid tax laws were unaffected by the reforms coming from the EU. It was easy to play on the never-far-from-surface English fear and hatred of “foreigners”.
You may not regard it as hatred but for anyone looking in on the shitshow that is English society at the moment, hatred is what it most certainly is. Any society that can raise the likes of Farage and Johnson to positions of power is very sick indeed.Any society that still promotes people based on the womb they fell out of or the school their rich parents paid for is similarly sick.
No wonder Europe is ambivalent about whether to allow the UK to remain even if Brexit was cancelled.

You thought wrong, pal.
And you have been wrong for 70 years.

I tend to agree with you regarding Brexit, even if I don’t know enough to have a solid opinion. But I don’t see what that has to do with Hong Kong. I don’t really consider Finland, where I live, to be a “good” country, but I still prefer it to what I think I know about China. I’m sure all countries have their problems, but the extreme totalitarianism of China is a big one. I couldn’t care less about who my “legal” oppressor is. I just don’t want to be oppressed. I’m sure the CIA is meddling in Hong Kong, just like they are everywhere else, but that doesn’t mean the protests are unfounded.

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