Feasibility of datacenter farming (and the risk of farmer centralization)

Ever heard of Stellar Wind? Supposedly it can record all of the Internet traffic across all the in/out points in the US for over a year and only costs ‘billions of dollars’ They do it already. What makes you sure that they don’t throw black ops budgets at anything that they consider to be a threat, like freedom of speech? They do it already.

From:

The US Government spends $435,841,200 (~$435 million) per hour (both portions)

          - Of the total money shown above, the US Government 

borrows $187,785,388 (187 million) each hour-- shown on the right
portion.
No problem filling up a UPS/Fedex truck each hour, full of
cash. The mail-man will never be out of a job processing all those
payments…

US Budget in 1 Day: $10,460,188,800

        For the year 2011:
        

          - The US Government spends $10,460,188,800 (~$10 billion, 460 million) per day (both portions)

          - Of the total money shown above, the US Government borrows $4,506,849,315 
          (4 billion, 506 million) each day.

US Budget in 1 Week: $73,221,917,808

        For the year 2011:

          

          - The US Government spends $73,221,917,808 (~$73 billion, 221 million) per week (both portions)

          - Of the total money shown above, the US Government 

borrows $31,547,945,205 (31 billion, 547 million) each week-- shown on
the right portion.

US Budget in 2011: $3,818,000,000,000

        For the year 2011:

          

          - The US Government's projected budget for year 2011 is $3,818,000,000,000.

          - Of the total money shown above, the pile to the right in the amount of $1,645,000,000,000 
          is borrowed money. 

          No one in the world has as big of a salary as US 

Government, but it still borrows roughly 40% of the money it spends.

          Source: CBO, GAO & USGovernmentSpending.com

          You can say Booyakashaa when this is your weekly allowance. 

Get the picture?

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Yes, I do get the picture. I’ve read about the spying stuff and I follow economic news on a daily basis.

  • The current system is unsustainable
  • Every single dollar that’s spent goes to someone who “needs” it (maybe they need to recoup their investment in their favorite Congressman, or maybe they need to get paid for voting the way they did).

So the huge figures don’t tell us there’s an unlimited number of dollars waiting to be spent on the pursuit of pointless goals. There has to be a purpose, or marginal utility aka bang for the buck, that is higher than they derive from whatever crap they’re pulling now.

Destroying random MaidSafe data by way of a Sybil attack would be a silly and expensive approach to achieve nothing.

I won’t even attempt to analyze why it wouldn’t pay to subvert MaidSafe that way (clearly, a much, much better ROI could be obtained by spending 1/100th of the amount needed for a Sybil attack on inventing a MaidSafe-targeting malware that would enable stealth access to data, rather than stupidly destroy potentially lucrative source of info, but there are other reasons too).

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The government has a history of accomplishing nothing with massive quantities of money. A lot of their tech is not publicly visible – likely in underground bases-- they have plenty of free hard drive space and lots of time on their hands. Unsustainability never prevented them from doing extremely stupid things with their $$. I can find countless examples of blank check spending.

I agree that these kinds of attacks are more likely.

Yes, – If they have that kind of resources they can just sniff all the packets at the ISP sent at a PC level… While they still may be encrypted - you will at least get all 3 chunks.

Surveillance ought to be done in such a manner anyway - a concerted effort against a known target. With a warrant…

Destroying data through a Sybil attack would be pretty silly all in all because you wouldn’t know what data it was that you where destroying, and it very well be data that you would like to have… It would be akin to shutting down the internet… Or blowing up bridges to prevent police chases…

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Don’t give ideas

I moved a post to an existing topic: Equation Group

If maidsafe is safely put on top of CJDNS, it would be nearly impossible for anybody to sniff the packet data. CJDNS is a bidirectional router. All it does is to transfer encrypted packet to the router of choice. It doesn’t know the packet data. It only knows the router number on the encrypted packet. The only person would know the data is the person that you are connected to. Basically, you are your own ISP. And all you need is to connect to another personal peer ISP. And that peer is connected to different peer ISP. you could talk to that different peer without knowing his IP.

So in this case, the chosen peer you’re connected to, knows you transfered three chucks of data to that unknown IP peer. The rest of the network does not know this. Again, cjdns is a router, the job is transfer one way or another, based routing number on the encrypted packet.

Safe + CJDNS would be anti-surveillance tool. Completely robust system.

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It should also be said that while the thugs in blue likely prefers TOR for the usual brown people that they love to kill, as it’s just strong enough to not be deanonymousable to countries without a trillion dollars to build an NSA of their own, but perfectly crackable to the thugs in blue themselves, the thugs in blue are going to need something with Maidsafe cryptographic strength or even stronger to play their covert mafia games with the Russian thugs and the Chinese Thugs, who do have the means to build their own NSAs.