Discussion of Covid-19 information (No holds barred)

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Sure. They are my own words, opinion, and based on personal experience (at times being guilty of it myself, and alternately, observing it in others).


Dutch PM doing what many do these days by using the term conspiracy to dismiss but ends up looking a little stupid.


It’s frightening how deceptive these people are. Even when blatantly caught out they still lie :rage:


They are professional liars, deceivers, manipulators, abusers and criminals complicit in crimes against humanity for decades. A great number of us well informed about their involvement in these crimes, and many more are waking up to this fact as we speak and are joining the ranks in calling and organizing for the arrest and trial of all the perpetrators behind this crime of the century.

These citizens’ arrests and trials under the jurisdiction of Common Law and international law will be carried out by we the people in tandem with honorable law enforcement as soon as we reach critical mass around the world and are ready to do so without the permission and approval of the state.

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MUST WATCH: I want to see how the MSM/Intel and gate keepers spin this one. Come one, come all and expose your inhumanity.

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Hmm, you don’t need an FIO, the info is public already. I just checked and total num covid deaths from the start of Dec 2020 to now is 4418.

The data is public as I said and here https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/statistics-and-data/statistics/statistics-by-theme/vital-events/general-publications/weekly-and-monthly-data-on-births-and-deaths/deaths-involving-coronavirus-covid-19-in-scotland

So that “source” seems wrong on at least 2 counts

  1. No need for FOI request
  2. Even total number of deaths is less than they claim were deaths after the vaccine.

It’s not saying they died of Covid just that they died within 28 days of receiving a vaccine. They could have died from being hit by a bus. Similar to how the deaths within 28 days of a Covid test included everyone including those hit by a bus. Both a nonsense really but not very scientific to use different ways of measuring the numbers.

Also been thinking about this after the announcement of vaccine passports. If asymptomatic infection is the reason for masks and social distancing and the vaccines don’t stop transmission but reduce the severity of symptoms. Won’t the vaccinated be the biggest asymptomatic spreaders because they won’t have any symptoms?

But in the case of “vaccine” deaths its probably valuable data since AFAICT no clinical trials were done.

It doesn’t matter. Let’s use the bus scenario, in both instances it was neither Covid nor the vaccine that killed the person, it was the bus. So neither statistic should have that number in its total.

Yes, I realised after posting. Good point.

Yea stats are mental here, bent all ways. I have always thought excess deaths is at least something and in lockdown, there is fewer busses :slight_smile: i.e. less death creation devices, like accidents, other disease spread etc. So kind makes sense

It’s almost impossible to accurately say what killed somebody in many cases. It would be a huge task to say definitively the death cause in many cases.

In saying that it is obviious virus is real, it does kill a lot and does spread, mutating whilst doing so.

What is also obvious is this is largely unknown and as a world trying to understand it, mistakes will happen. These mistakes have 2 problems

  1. Initiators don’t accept mistakes and give updated advice
  2. Others pounce on mistakes and bend stats to show how right they are

With these 2 things existing all we can have is confusion and arguing about the real colour of mud or something.


Last year I’ve often read about people thrown under the bus :wink:


If I fall into one of these categories then please explain, but in any case I apologize if I do.

Whilst there were decreased death creation devices in such cases as road accidents etc, there were also things done that have increased deaths

1 / emptying hospitals of old & sick people who were clearly there for a reason and putting them in care homes, where there is now evidence of DNR orders, denial of treatment etc.

2 / Massive fear campaign which resulted in many avoiding hospitals due to fear of infection as well as cancer patients having their treatment delayed.

3 / wrong type of treatment being given to covid patients, example such as ventilation being used too early and not in a last resort type situation.

4 / doctors being given top down orders on how to treat covid patients rather than use their judgment based on clinical symptoms which is what would normally happen. This includes banning treatments that other doctors have claimed are working wonders on their patients.

Again I would like to reiterate I’m not saying covid cannot kill or is made up!


we all fall into cat 2 at varying degrees I think, as Sanatra said “That’s life”



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