Discussion of Covid-19 information (No holds barred)

I agree but if you go in public and watch how ofter people touch their mask and then something around them it’s crazy. They do seem to understand each time you touch something that can be infected you have to wash your hands before you adjust your mask. You can also be transmitting bacteria and virus from your mask to surfaces.

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Very little evidence of their effectiveness with how they are being used today in a community setting.

Also as you say when used incorrectly (as they seem to be widely) they can actually increase the risk of infection

Agree, if they are working so well and once all the vulnerable groups have been offered it, I cannot see any reason to continue most of the restrictions

Flu, that you mentioned in your post, is comparable to Corona, but probably not (exactly) the same. From the link I posted:

What he found was that there was little to support the idea that SARS-CoV-2 passes from one person to another through contaminated surfaces.

And that is not the first time I’ve read/heard that there are strong suspicions that Corona spread via surface is probably limited.

Of course, in the medical world there was already a procedure to use a FFP2 or FFP3 mask (respirator) correctly. That is an expensive mask you can only use once. That same procedure is used for Corona in a medical / hospital setting, which I understand.

Also if you keep your distance and everybody else wears a mask, how can it reach the surface of your mask? Or Corona gets through the masks of source and destination, or it doesn’t even go through the mask of the source. So I personally estimate the risk of getting Corona by touching your mask as being not so high. But better to avoid touching it of course.

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Let’s hope that governments follow these guidelines from the council of Europe

https://pace.coe.int/en/files/29004/html

ensure that citizens are informed that the vaccination is NOT mandatory and that no one is politically, socially, or otherwise pressured to get themselves vaccinated, if they do not wish to do so themselves;

7.3.2 ensure that no one is discriminated against for not having been vaccinated, due to possible health risks or not wanting to be vaccinated

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I liked this comics, thanks for it.
The weird thing is the vaccinated guy still wears a facemask every day after the vaccination. If it works so great why does he need it?
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Because he may not have disease, but he may still carry the virus and be able to transmit it. Research is still ongoing as to the level of transmission for vaccinated people, so he’s taking a sensible precaution to protect other people who haven’t—or can’t—be vaccinated, until things become clearer.

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The “sensible precaution” kill people by not detecting cancer and a multitude of other diseases.
The “sensible precaution” destroys health systems all over Europe.
The “sensible precaution” destroys the economy of millions of people.
The “sensible precaution” turns a whole country into a huge madhouse.
The “sensible precaution” skyrockets the use of alcohol and benzodiazepines with an unknown amount of future problems.
The “sensible precaution”, with the lack of exercise and stress, have caused an important weight gain in the population. This will lead to a huge increase in weight-related diseases such as heart attacks, strokes and diabetes. Thousands of people will die in the coming years because of this.
The “sensible precaution” creates queues for food banks. Queues that I have never seen in my almost 60 years of life.
The “sensible precaution” is destroying basic freedoms all over the western world.
The “sensible precaution” is creating a multitude of physical and psychological problems for those who should have always been the first priority, children and young people.

It is governmental measures, supported by certain “experts” with dubious interests, that are creating physical, psychological, moral and social problems that will last much longer and be much more profound than the pernicious effects of the virus.

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I think you’ll struggle to find any data to attribute all that to masks, which was the point in question.

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TO show respect for others and because a mask (if not 100%) is some very substantial % effective. Additive security ==Common Sense

Maybe he hasn’t destroyed his second Death Star yet?

Just because there are body bags in your car, doesnt mean you dont use the brakes at all when approaching a wall

Jim, Jim, Jim - when will you realise that it is NO USE WHATSOEVER in appealing to reason or logic when dealing with anti-maskers.

Like Trumpists, these people are fired up with their alt-science and desire to show us all that science reason and respect for others is simply disguised communism and could be the slippey slope to socialised health care.

Some folk just WANT to be stupid to prove how edgy and contrarian they are. Cos ALL that matters is ME, ME, ME. I blame the Austrian School myself - oh and anybody that ever even considered voting Tory.

I see and understand. Just to be clear, I don’t see a problem to wear those when somebody asks me to. The problem I have with masks is A forces B and C to wear them in the premises of C even though B and C agreed not to undertake the risk.

I also don’t have a problem with wearing masks inside, but outside when walking? In that case, we are mostly just virtue signaling, it’s nothing about respect for others.

Sorry but more fitting analogy is “Just because you bought the autonomous car does not mean you can play chess while driving”. But of course, thats probably why you bought it.

Long ago, we were told vaccines were the solution to end this and now it shall be vaccines, masks, social distancing forever according to your logic? Your analogy seems wrong to me.

I don’t know, but you are a communism fan, arent you?

There are two things, individualism, and selfishness. Those are not the same. Austrian School people are individualists, some of them are also selfish.

No - your pathetic little argument fails on the grounds of science - I wear a mask outside cos I need to take exercise and sheild myself from the selfish self-centred twat of a jogger who rushs past maskless, spreading his contagion far and wide.

Its all about reducing the particle load, not trying to kid on this is a binary thing, you either get it fromone droplet or not.

Bu that would require harder thinking than than strident anti-maskers who think theya re some kind of beacn for “freedom” seem capable of.

As for your graphic, surely you can do better than that. Just for starters what about the 100 million North American natives slaughtered by capitalism, the famines in Africa, India? Get real pal, if you want to be taken seriously. Oh and the 8 BILLION that could die because of globla warming induced by capitalism - see I can do hyperbole too… its easy , I just cant be arsed doing a graphic.

Im actually a socialist and a realist rather than a communist but it really is funny watching you lot get triggered.

Explain in detail how in a connected society, the above can be held to be true. In your own time…