Discussion of a collaborative commons and data marketplace on SAFE

I agree with you that it’s time to begin a discussion on genetic algorithms. Are you familiar with r3.0? With their supporting international community they are developing a number of blueprints to support transition to a new regenerative economic system in which data and algorithms are key components. The Ex Summary in the r.3.0 Data Blueprint summarised as follows (and in the diagram below) states

“the quality of change …. is based on for intermediation of mathematical models and algorithmic metrics as well as the design of data flow architecture and information systems”

to me fundamentally describes the critical “genetic algorithms” issue we could begin to address in this thread and which the dWeb and dWeb “data” commons path forward will need to address from the outset.

I describe what we are working on here as strategic gene therapy or societal genetic engineering in that we inserting new genes into the existing body/system to improve our bodies/systems genetic makeup. To me genetic thinking/language is critical in a transition/evolution from a static mechanical/industrial way of thinking given to one which recognises that we are all actually part of a living system or “Lifebank”.

So well done in starting this discussion. I think it will become increasingly important and can lead to the ability to connect with key international communities such as R.30 with something tangible…

The proposed dWeb commons model path involves an “interconnected community of citizen, community & industries mutual asset pools with ODE exchange cost minimised (as per your intro offer to Glen/Devo) with system profits shared equitably based the intermediation of mathematical models and algorithmic metrics as well as the design of data flow architecture and information systems” i.e. A True future value Access Well-Being GDP or shared prosperity/ algorithm model

So keen to connect you further on this topic i.e. Genetic Algorithms on SAFE particularly in context of how we could apply what we learn thru the dWeb blog/commons model path starting with some smaller scale client side apps/ideas.

Algorithm’s and AI seem to go hand in hand. These links give some context for our dWeb/commons environment/opportunity

Open AI is a not for profit that has been gifted $1 bl

AI commons is a not for profit community of engineering academics gov, NGO, Foundation which IMO opinion (which counts for very little really :grinning:) needs a Foundational safe.commons model to underpin/focus on

@CommunityLink I’m not sure this is relevant to the topic. By Genetic Algorithms I mean algorithms for design/optimisation in software, so gene therapy for example is a different topic. I’m not sure what your topic would be, so perhaps you can suggest a suitable title to moderators and ask them to move your posts?


I also understand Genetic Algorithms to mean algorithms for design/optimisation in software. I was using “gene therapy” as a term to describe simply the placement of the optimised software algorithm and hopefully the therapeutic outcome it creates.:grinning:

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Ah, ok, glad we’re on the same page but I didn’t see the connection in your writing or the r3.0 link, though I only looked briefly.

The connection between r.3.0 and this Genetic Algorithms on Safe topic is end user context to highlight the importance of this discussion/path for the vision you describe…

From SAFE that’s true decentralisation to the max, security from the ground up, censorship resistance, anonymity, a radically democratising economic model for developers and users, and commerce using a built in massively scalable, anonymous, energy efficient digital cash. There’s more, such as data in perpetuity, but I’m running out of breath!

I have believed for many years we are coming to an evolution convergence point. There are other (non IT) communities as passionate and committed as the safe community who are looking for/need each other. They are about users and commerce and like you they are looking for **a radically democratising algorithmic driven economic model/platform ** which I believe only the safenetwork and an safe algorithmic capability (as part of/which supports the safedrive/git/dweb package?) can ultimately deliver. I have introduced safe and the communitylink collaborative commons model previously and will reengage when we have something tangible as they can support safe distribution as scale.

I agree with your thought that any further discussion re this should be part of a new topic probably with the safe.commons title introduced in my reply to David to intro/progress the safe data marketplace /level playing field/automatic pricing/model discussion. In order to have something tangible the best time is probably after the set up of the DWeb commons blog & Dweb blog experience article. Working on this now. Jaybirds article provides a good article template

I note your comment
“I’m starting to mull ways to use generic algorithms 2 on a decentralised network. Thoughts?
A couple of intriguing threads:
executable genotype of immutable function() (in JSON, RDF?) = automata
parallelism via client with subpopulation (eg web app). Social/viral app?

This post is just to see if anyone else is interested in the area and have ideas or know of relevant work we can gather together.”

I wish I could help more on the tech but I will hopefully connect with you with an idea (client side app) which may help focus your tech threads … otherwise it can be a bit like … how long is a piece of string?:grinning:

Thanks @CommunityLink for explaining. I’m still not seeing the connection here with the intended area of discussion (practical applications of software algorithms based on GAs) and what you’ve linked or posted, so I’m going to ask @moderators to move your posts to a new topic where we can dig more into what you are bringing if you wish. Cheers.


Sounds good. I suggest a Topic/title something along the lines of … Discussion of a collaborative commons and data marketplace on SAFE - (borrowing from David) The (Im)possible network organisation