Decentralization is Permanent Redistribution

Decentralization is Permanent Redistribution.
We have a highly centralized society with wealth and power in the hands of the few. Decentralization does not simply build up independent people and life styles around cores of centralization. Rather it gets rid of centralization by transferring centralization’s assets and power back to the people where it belongs. Centralization is built on the average person working for big water to pay big finance and all the other big players with none left over for themselves to get free with. Decentralization redistributes the unnecessary power and wealth of centralization and makes it unavailable to future centralization schemes, all of which naturally involve hierarchy.

Decentralization starts with the opposite premise, the beginning premise that people are free. This is unsurprisingly is recognized in current redistribution processes. Old objectionable redistribution was the king taking from the poor. The new stuff recognizes the Jeffersonian ideal of the free person as the starting state. This is part of the reason in the States there was initially the insistence that the voter be landed so they would be free and independent so as to exercise the conscience they developed in that state and also to guard against their being bribed or coerced. For instance, there is no coercing truly free people into some war they disagree with. They have the means to resist, both psychologically and materially.

In this vein redistribution today mainly but not always and at least on paper seeks to take back from those who did not earn it in the first place and should not have it and return it back to those who did or by virtue of their share in the power and wealth as free citizens have a higher claim on the portion rendered. In essence it does not redistribute so much as it fixes distribution in light of the free state that people are born into and entitled to in a free society. It fixes what markets, marketing and corrupt manager types can’t. It also attempts to override gateways and artificially induced scarcity and no value added games.

What might decentralized society look like? Tomorrow’s free citizen many live someplace beside the city. If they don’t show up to work they also don’t collect welfare because they don’t need to. That means wages are much higher and treatment is better to the point of being democratic in any centralized work place, especially given the preference for decentralized compatible open collaboratists work arrangements. They own their house and the land it sits on and their kids inherit that land. They probably have a small garden. They probably have a faber. They have access to a community garden and faber. They have access to a free global mesh net where privacy and security are the default. They have solar with a deep back up, and a powered aqua foil system and a couple of electric cars they charge from their roof top. In short they don’t pay big water or big energy or big sponsored media or big telecom/cable or big pharma or big finance. But they aren’t isolated, they can talk to anyone, anywhere in the the world at any time and with permission even manipulate the local environs. They also aren’t sick and don’t experience much crime. Immigration isn’t an issue because states have been made transparent and decentralization means people aren’t hungry or chasing food. Giving the finger to centralization means globalist bullshit doesn’t work either. People are clear that it’s quality of life in terms of environs, leisure, and real security and not the DJIA or GDP that matter. They aren’t worried about retirement because they were born retired living off their technological inheritance in a society based on abundance. They have a right to be idle to keep centralization dead. They have deep life-long face to face relationships with at least 100 local people and they are mature and wise in a way that would seem impossible by today’s standards.

In short, big dies and its power is redistributed to people who don’t do anything they don’t agree with. And these are also people who grow up free from indoctrination with perspectives formed from their own from experience. They recognize sponsorship as censorship and are done with the nightmare of sponsored media and sponsored politicians. Their media systems don’t run on ads because they know this centralizing conflict of interest destroys decentralization and democracy. And once again these people don’t have debt or bills, there stuff is paid for. Each is their own boss. This is the power and promise of decentralization.

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Generally I would agree that Open source software and decentralization is a means of distributing means of production to the people and decreasing the need for big central power…

It isn’t a utopia though. If the firemen don’t show up to work because “they don’t have to” the whole blessed anarchist utopia still burns. If people live wherever they feel like living, there is significant environmental impact to this. 5 acre plots all in every niche of the planet.

In most industries, centralization happens for a reason. Dozens of Citrus packers come together for example to build and operate a packinghouse. Because it is MUCH cheaper to do in a centralized fashion than for each of them to grade, size, pack, receive, load trucks, comply with audits etc etc etc… It makes no sense to decentralize that. And the truth of the matter is that there are industry upon industry upon industry that is much the same.

Economies of scale exist, and will not be overcome by simple cryptography.


But crypto is just one vital piece. And we can do more collaborative coop vice collusive centralization where it makes sense.

If a co-op has an economy of scale, they are going to want to maximize it – And for good reason… It saves them money, and it brings better value to their customers. That means centralization. I would argue there is nothing wrong with that…

Decentralization will not be a universal, and it will not be the answer to everything. There will always be incentive to use less capital to do more work. Rather than spreading capital all over the landscape to handle small batches of work. Decentralization works well in software, but not so much in manufacturing etc…

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fabbers are turning some of that around

They are making it easier for me to 3D print a AR receiver… But the motive is substantially different…

You will not achieve an economy of scale anytime soon with these prototyping technologies. They are good – and they will help by being a means of production that isn’t astronomically expensive to own – but It will always be cheaper and more efficient to buy supplies by the pallets than by the carton. There just isn’t any getting around that.


If more people are free to innovate, smart houses and AI firemen get invented

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Just an example.

My point is that the utopian world that Warren proposes where we only show up to work when we feel like it isn’t too likely to fly. Economies of scale – you want to keep you capital in use as much as possible so that it can be used efficiently…

9 women cannot make a baby in a month. Sometimes centralization makes sense.

AI robot workers :slight_smile:

I think having inanimate objects do all the tedious work is the only way to do it anyway

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@jreighley not utopian, just freedom. Its not so surprising that decentralization plus the tech of abundance spreads the option to work to the population. The Nordic states had that option for a long while and still do to an extent, and they are icy rock territories.

Decentralization plus the tech of abundance gives people options beside work. Under the coming variant of centralization the only jobs that will be available will be high paying and quite rare. This is because machines do the tasks of centralization better regardless of whether the private or public sector is the form of centralization. It’s said driving to work takes more skill than the average job and self-driving cars have arrived. Watson debater and Watson beating the best Jeopardy “knowledge workers” also shows the power of machine centralization. More than this under cloud centralization a system like Watson can project in real time across a wide geographic area- it telecommutes and it provides the economy of scale that human labor cannot.

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