yes it doesn’t land in your vault but coins that are the reason you copy content, do.
you could be paid (from the redistributed safe coins in the community from the artists, because they reach their maximum) even if you don’t get GETS on your vault. of course, until the maximum is reached. after you reach your maximum and you get a GET for a chunk, the coin that you would gain will be redistributed in the community.
and also, when you upload - you pay. why bother to lose time copying and paying to upload when you could reach your maximum other ways?
Sounded like poetry, I’d like to donate some rightly earned safecoin please!
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Could be both be implemented. Auto farming and voluntary icing on the cake?
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Yes, any app can have a click to tip button. So well separated.
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I agree, and I would want it to be different. I strongly feel it is better to make money feel visceral again. At least debt on the SAFE network is not possible (or built-in), but that does not prevent people from being broke on the SAFE network.
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Figured this is a fork … Lets continue this Practicality and uses of Micro-currencies on SAFE
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When you refer to the agent/manager, are you referencing the artist’s agent/manager? Keep in mind, from a close-minded point of view, this could look like extortion or intimidation. (akin to “Release it here or someone else will”) And I certainly would not want to start off on the wrong foot. Especially with a technology that could basically become the holy grail for the music/art industry.
Dealt with correctly, this could be a powerful adoption mechanism.
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Re: Pay the Producer (implementation questions)
Any idea how this and the inherant de-duplication of data chunks will work? For example: what happens if two separate Producers uploads were to produce a identical chunk? (Or is that probability statistically negligible?)
One benefit to this is that it does facilitate per-{frame,second,pixel} micro-transaction payment systems. If in fact each chunk is to be watermarked with the Producer’s wallet address.
This …
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I moved 23 posts to a new topic: Can I exploit content rewards by accessing my public content repeatedly:
You walk into the SAFE shop and decide to read a copy of a new masterpiece book written by my good self (a mix of 100 years of Solitude, Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy and Lolita rolled into one for the record). It’s around 1MB.
Right next to my incredible book is a copy of a full length HD video (of a side project I’ve been working on) called ‘Those aren’t my pants’. It’s around 3GB
We can both agree that ‘Those aren’t my pants’ is hilarious (the confused look to camera I give when I realise the pants aren’t indeed mine is pretty timeless IMO), but should the SAFE network give me 3000 x the reward I would get for my book, or should there be some human metric to quantifying the value of this data?
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Yes, the artist from the (hit song today) example… is likely to be very busy, which is the reason they have an Agent/Manager. If they don’t have an Agent/Manager then contact the Artist directly. By community, I mean someone that knows the Artist personally (friend, relative, super fan).
It is very sad that some close-minded content producers might view an “invite” as extortion. We can’t change the way a person perceives something, even if you explain they will be helping themselves.
My invite would gift them some Safecoin to open an account and upload their next song. Regardless of how they view the intention, the reality remains… People are pirating their work, but they have an opportunity to do something about it.
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I was only thinking today that torrenting may drop in usage when people can use SAFE network to access original works without costs to them and the artist is rewarded. Even downloading it to their drive will not be needed so much either since they can access it from any suitable internet connection.
As this occurs more and more then will there be a need to “pirate” like there is now. When apps appear that provide catalogued lists of original works the rewards for coping original works will fall away too. Will we see “pirating” being unneeded and without much benefits on SAFE in the future? Maybe only for works prior to being released officially, which would be an incentive for artists to upload their works ASAP.
Certainly worth more consideration…
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I see two problems with the method proposed by dirvine: first, while the chunks are the same for every exact copy or reupload of the original content, a pirate could use another codec or add some noise to a video, and it would end up in totally different chunks. second, since GETs are free, nobody can stop the original uploader to artificially increase the demand for “his” chunks by requesting them again and again. This would just be limited by his bandwidth, and he would be rewarded for a counterproductive activity…
Let´s say, it´s worth to think about it, because it can lead to the exploitation of many creatives. I already mentioned the example elsewhere, but it fits right in:
It´s just one out of many other examples. It´s probably a fair question why SAFE should care for this kind of issues, but we have to realise that once there is an incentive to post viral stuff, people will violate copyright as much as they can. So I would say, yes, it is somewhat business of the network when we can clearly expect these issues and what mechanisms we could think about to protect artists.
I think this has been discussed many times on all kinds of subjects. If someone does something illegal on the network it is not Maidsafe or the community who should prevent this action or do something against it.
You’re actually asking for a central point that decides which ‘request for deletion’ or ‘request for sharing revenue’ should be honored. The network is autonomous and decentralized, if someone makes an app in which it is possible to create a central point, it’s up to the creators of the application.
I don’t think SAFE has the capacity to care. It is a computer program that does math.
Artists can still litigate, but there is not censorship feature in SAFE, lest it would be used for all kinds of things. The state department is claiming property rights over Cody Wilson’s work at defense distributed…
Intelectual property is already dead… Bittorrent killed it. Applications like Popcorn Time are bringing the tools to the people. There are just a few more nails to put into the coffin… Those technologies are not going to be uninvented… Artists need to invent a model that works. Grateful Dead allowed bootlegging of their concerts, and they still made quite a fine career of it… Viral adoration brings fame no matter what the means… You cannot fake a concert, Artists can always make their money in real life and use the digital end to fuel demand.
Suuuper good question, @Luke .
Is it a matter of quantity over quality? (/owenership).
I’m aware that I should (i think I read), be able to charge more SAFE per GET via an app if i wanted to (please correct me if I imagined reading that).
But is it all about data size? (or is that one GET request? … or one request per chunk?)
I also find the 10% of farming as a reward for content producers to be the inverse of what one (heh: I) might hope: I made a thing. Others are just storing that thing. Why should I only get 10% of the reward…?
I’m asking these questions as an author and web developer.
If content size/no. of requests is money making, then it’s the opposite of commonly held wisdom about reducing requests/data size to make for a more efficient internet. (Yes: this is not the olde internet, but the logic stands.) I’d be better rewarded for building an irritating website / over inflating the size of my data than making it useful… (say uploading my book as 400x50MP images instead of text).
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