Content Bridges, Mirroring, Encouraging content providers to use the Safe Network

People can upload CC content and by default they will not earn from it, because applying your water mark is a separate optional process.

I think doing that could deprive the network of something important: namely content creators getting paid for their content by way of it being on the network. For me this is still one of the most amazing things.

Yes itā€™s CC which is sometimes effectively free. But thatā€™s Olde Internet thinking. Here we have SAFE and automagic ways for earning through producing good content.

You make some amaying photos, people enjoy looking at them. Just because on the old internet this wasnā€™t worth zip, doesnt mean it should be on SAFE.

I think something like this idea could be a good way of encouraging network adoption, if nothing else.

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Your a fan of a current content provider and you want to encourage them to clone their operation onto another network. How do you present that to them, what is the #1 selling point?

Discoverability would be my answer and ahead of reward.

Butā€¦to explain discoverability in the SAFE Networkā€¦is that even possible? How do you build something better than search, the limitations presented by pages of hits even ignoring the results bias and the gazillions of nodes that donā€™t get indexed.

I get the feeling agents are going to help us find the content we require, by operating in the realm of abundance we find what it is were looking for.

But in the meantime, tell the producer that itā€™s going to be awesome :slight_smile:

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Donā€™t forget the advantage of being first. Tell them how big this is going to be, and why, and ask them how they would have benefited if they had known in 1993, before the launch of Netscape 1, how important the internet was going to be.

Another point is the cost - it will actually be very low risk/cost to put existing content on SAFE for a trial period.

Search/indexing aside, we are facing an uphill chicken or the egg problem trying to evangalize the Safe Network to content producers and consumers in the absence of any network effects. Claims that the network will be awesome for technical and privacy reasons only appeals to a subset, and saying that SafeN will really take off sometime in the future (if only you and many others like you come and use itā€¦ there is only a low cost to get started)ā€¦ will ring hollow if your in a google+ style data desert-scape trying to compete for content producers attention against free platforms which have millions of users. That is some huge inertia to overcome.

@joshuef made a very good point above: even though you will be able to post other peoples CC content without watermarking it as @happybeing kindly pointed out, it deprives the network of an opportunity to demonstrate one of its core strengths:

Here is what I am sure will be a common use case for many other people: I can think of half a dozen creative commons content producers that I regularly follow, some of them very specialised with very small fan bases (a few bloggers, two video lecture series, and some entertainment video feeds/podcasts). I would personally prefer to have the producers of this consent publish it on the Safe Network where I can consume it but I doubt that will happen for a very long time if ever. I could contact them like some marketing cold caller with the ā€œits going to be awesomeā€ speel but if hardly anybody is on SafeN at the start then it is going to be a very hard sell. What I want to do is just go ahead and setup a script to mirror their regularly produced data so myself and others can then consume it on the Safe Network. As per my suggestion I want to watermark the content as not mine and let any SafeCoin accumulate in a holding account which I will release to the original producer if they ever bother to sign up. I would drop these producers a comment/message letting them know that I have taken advantage of their CC license and helped distribute their work at this SafeN location. If they decide to start using the SafeN then I have also helped kick-start them off with some of the SafeCoin that they are going to need to start publishing their content. Everyone wins.

If the CC content I want to see is not on the SafeN then I am going to use it less as well which is also another setback for reaching any network effects. One of the big other common use cases that the black and white ā€œits watermarked as mine, or it is not watermarked at allā€ system misses is that of derivative works. You are free to modify and extend some types of CC licensed work - you want to set 80% SafeCoin to the original producer and 20% to yourself. This is a pretty simple ā€œsmart contractā€ setup that could have big repercussions for SafeN adoption.

So far in this thread I have seen no compelling negative reasons for not providing something like I am suggesting (the negative points brought up applied equally to the Safe Network without my suggestion - i.e. bad actors ripping off copyright material for SafeCoin). Perhaps there are technical difficulties to implementing it, however the reward for overcoming them would be a bettering the Safe Neworks chances of reaching critical mass quicker.

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Iā€™d think this is something that the market can solve via the APIā€™s, but if you can gain enough consensus then the new RFC process would be the way to present the proposition to the core dev team.

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Thanks for the RFC heads-up @chrisfostertv. I checked the RFC docs and the suggestion is to use the forum as a ā€œpre-RFCā€ process to submit the idea for early review.

As a rule of thumb, receiving encouraging feedback from long-standing
project developers, and particularly members of the core team or existing
contributors, is a good indication that the RFC is worth pursuing.

I am not sure what is the best way to go about encouraging feedback from long-standing project developers, I know @dirvine has delegated out responsibility for the various libraries that might cover this idea? I am sure the developers are too flat out to read through all the threads on this forum let alone entertain ideas that might just mean extra work-loadā€¦ I would not be surprised if the feedback is along the lines of ā€œNo, go away.ā€ :-).

I would be very surprised if something like this can be tacked on as an App as it seems the watermark system (one piece of data, one watermark) might be the limiting factor?

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We canā€™t know if something was worth paying for or what it was worth until after we have experienced it. It may be that it was a net negative and we want them to pay us for the inconvenience like the average ad and have global opt in ad the default. Regardless, what may well take SAFE to critical mass is the disintermediation as it rips the worlds content popcorn time style and allows people to pay only if they feel like it, only exactly what they think something is worth, only after the the fact and directly to the fabled author.

I love this model because it kills sponsorship (the means of censorship and misinformation) and empowers the public. Its also more of an honest intellectual property model. Everything of interest to consciousness is a product of consciousness and its its owned by consciousness generally not in particular. Its all fair use. In this way we can say fiction as a category is more honest than non fiction because at least people recognize it as a product of consciousness and donā€™t get sloppily metaphysical assuming there is something outside consciousness. There will be just enough incentive to prime the pump and not enough to fuel censorship with superstition over bits of grey matter localized in space in time that are wrongly assumed to be generative.

This must be some of that disruptive innovation, a term I hear bandied around, that I dislike (hip corpocracy slang). But paradigm shifting content I do want to see and learn about, encourage and support. Which I think of reading this

It sounds messy to weave these concepts into a simple solution. Simple and flexible are really important.

@Joanie and much of it seems to do with the twisted language.

For instance, privacy and free expression seem to be largely the same issue of self determination.
Without privacy there is no practical basis for free expression and without free expression there will be no privacy for long.

The same for money its conflation with speech or the conflation of privacy with secrecy. Money is not speech, its bribery-sponsorship-censorship. Organizational secrecy is not privacy its surveillance and loss of privacy. Organizational secrecy leads to situational ethics, paranoia, dirt gathering, rigidity ultimately leading to collapse. Its an us verses them ideology in search of enemies. Depending on the structure of mind there is no secrecy anyways only superstition and witch hunts. There are also no expedient justifications over tactics, launch codes or ticking time bombs. Its just an extension of the high school click and church cult.

Itā€™s too twisted. But the the first line and a half of your second paragraph makes sense.

I have looked into language a bit. And code is language, too. Original languages ought to be restored in the future. I would love to learn Gaelic and have looked into tourism classes there for it. That is when words are applied best. With original language. The strategy was to corrupt it by conquerers and severe connections in order to, you know, divide and control people.

It helps me trust MaidSafe all the more. Itā€™s physical environment is close to the bone / earth.

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Yes, I saw the other day a service like Pinterest doing location based modal ads randomly blocking users from accessing their pictures with full screen ads. They called these filters. The ad is noise and a filter would filter the noise but they want to use language that conflates the signal with the noise. The modal ad is the most insideous thing, it either gets reinstated or sponsorship and the backwards power dependent on it dies.

The fight over neutrality was largely about wanting to continue to be able to monetize interrupting people at will (theft of defining attention) to keep sponsor (censor) systems alive. Very Machiavellian, sponsorship needs to die, we dont need bribery censorship based societies.

Instead of consent we have informed consent. Instead of intrinsic equality, we have equal opportunity, and treating equally situated people equally. Weasel law a lot like separate but equal.

Oh, okay, you are policing inequities it sounds like.

Being such a minor content contributor I am very interested in the ideas discussed by others in this thread.

Monetizing is the essential fuel for the body, and love the essential fuel for the soul. Picking scabs doesnā€™t bring wholeness to a paradigm it just continues bleeding. If that simile makes sense to you.

The paradigm shift I have my shoulder to the wind with others on is getting beyond the War culture. Then I think the micro detailing and retooling you seek will have a chance to change organically. Hoping this seems imaginable to you.

Best for you to not stick like glue to ideas of mine. I am cultivating the dimension of emotional literacy through compassion, defined by listening.

The details of patent and copyrights is in judicial mumbo jumbo. Having biological DNA patents does sound patently ridiculous. That said, the smartest / dumbest lawyers Iā€™ve ever made acquaintance with are patent attorneys. Their advanced degrees are eye popping but they canā€™t hardly talk in a normal style. I have no idea what indoctrination they have been rung through but those are details that club needs to judge themselves.

Well its popcorn time type distribution, youā€™ll get the public domain rate but possibly much better exposure. Everything will be based on merit as defined by your audience. Couldnt design a more just system.

Its an open access model that runs at cost (including organic development and maintenance,) stuff doesnā€™t get mirrored it gets ripped. Publishers, mirrors, bridges are obsolete, save possibly for duplicating modders that ad value. No room for premium games and scams.

Sounds well thought out.
Speaking of popcorn. Just read on YouTube video a girl went long on popcorn for the Greek week ahead. Funny comment added to content is the best part of content. It makes it very nourishing (popcorn not withstanding).

However the devs at Maid decide to do it, love comments is my comment on it. I donā€™t have the mental discipline, acuity nor training to know how to think like an engineer of what needs to be smoothed out ahead of time. If itā€™s fair, Iā€™m game.

Seriously speaking, all comments are enriching to content - half the time I jump right to comments. If they are interesting or curious then I read the materials.