Community Initiative Program (CIP)

Oha, I didn’t see that coming!

I haven’t read everything, but most of the debate, so here’s my thoughts for now:

I like the idea to have some kind of little brother/sister program for the CEP. A way where we as the community can share, talk about and eventuelly work on solutions for small apps or services we would like to see on the safenet. The money would be an incentive, but in no way meant as a compensation for the work. Maybe more like money for drinks and food and power you need to work on the app.

We could vote on which apps we want to see the most and whoever is interested in working on an app can oficially work on it and gets the money for it. If more than one person wants to work on it - great! It’s more likely to be finished and may have more features - cause people could work together on it. (I don’t know if that’s feasible with different programming languages and so on, but as it’s supposed to be open source anyways, working together might just work!)

(edit) I think it shouldn’t come with any “contract” or so, and no obligation to finish anything. Just open source. It’s not supposed to be a job where you earn money. (/edit)

Why do I like the idea so much? Because I have an app idea of my own that I always wanted to pitch (for someone else to program it - because I can’t do anything ;)! But I thought that everybody’s too busy to work on it anyways. But maybe I was just too uncertain of the response.


Yeah and they gave me 1 BTC to incentivize as many small open source SAFE app projects as possible (accounting), so if anyone organizes or creates something useful they’re eligible for some of that also!


So maybe we want to do something like that afterall? What do the others who debated before think about it?

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Personally I liked the proposal as long as they were small, realistic, useful apps that were worth it for the developer and useful on the network. I hope to see this get more positive feedback and interest.


It might work, but thinking about myself when was developing for a living, I would probably prefer to work on my own pet projects (freedom to do things in my own timescale, my way, and to drop them if I want), unless I’m being paid properly for my time.

So I’m not sure money for drinks will create the incentive you need for what you have in mind. I’m not saying don’t try, just giving my explanation for what we’ve seen so far.

From my experience of trying to get people together to work on SAFEpress, and the other open source project I know people from (remoteStorage), I think you need at least one person who can drive it, the main designer and developer who is capable of doing the difficult bits and will just get on with it, while also sharing their vision, going out and talking about it. With that, you can attract a team, if you’re lucky to be doing something that inspires others to want to see it happen.

Otherwise, I think you need to be able to pay rewards that are worthwhile. Maidsafe has attracted both for building the network, but with the apps, I think people like to work on pet projects that interest them, or work in a more professional basis.


Or they live in the many countries where this $200 is more than a few months worth of income.

But yeah for the relatively small amount of people in the west, who want lots of money, then this can just add financial incentive to get the writers blocks out of the way and finish their hobby apps


I tend to agree with you on this. As the idea of SAFE gets more and more adopters worldwide, a bounty of usd 200 is a good sum especially for students and young ppl of South East Asia. I think Maidsafe Team did a good job to visit the region recently, although most in the region don’t put high priority (yet!) on the importance of privacy & freedom etc, SAFE with its “disruptive nature” would naturally level out the playing field somewhat between the big boys and the rest, which will be a good incentive for a lot of people and enterprise to adopt Safe Network. Anyway, we have to start somewhere and overall I think it’s a good idea.

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@whiteoutmashups perhaps if the SafeApp foundation idea comes to fruition we could help jumpstart CIP with a big donation - I’d really like to find a way to bring our ideas together here. I really like the idea of doing contests.

On another note, I apologize again for my name confusion in the PM I sent you. I really hope you don’t feel I’ve stepped on your toes with the foundation idea, certainly not my intent at all. We can do more together and I hope we will.



Yeah I just don’t really know about this whole idea.

If anyone needs $ from an ICO in this area, it’s MaidSafe. Not really the community…

Is MAIDSAFE struggling financially? I didn’t know that :frowning: Still what we are doing could draw more attention to MAIDSAFE and may help with the valuation of the MAID token a little bit … speculation on my part I know, but it’s possible.

When do you plan on doing this before or after launch?

After would be better that way we could use the network itself to host all this and use safe coins to pay for it.

No, we are Ok for the moment. Quite balanced just now and in a good place. If we launch the Alpha’s correctly and efficiently we will have enough in the tank. This includes growing the team. Longer term then farming, core dev, possibly apps, bespoke implementations etc. we should be good. We are not like many of the ICO type projects, seemingly awash with funds. I feel we are in a good place, enough to be hungry, but not to little to make us knee jerk or panic. So a nice balance.

Ofc as a business we would always have an eye on income where possible to expand a bit faster, but for now it’s not a huge worry.

tl;dr We are Ok not too rich and not too poor, just right for launch if we are efficient.


Were you replying to me or to @whiteoutmashups ?

The SafeApp Foundation idea is inching ahead, but will be months before we are ready to do an ico - at least six months … please follow our thread on the forum for updates.

Thanks for the clarification.

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I would love to invest into MaidSafe in other ways besides MAID or the Safecoin (once available). I’m sure there are many other supporters who found MAID-Safe after all the fundraising has occurred. If there is ever a possibility of doing another round, not out of need, but to give an opportunity to us late folks :slight_smile: . That would be welcomed by many. Not trying to dilute any shares already out there, maybe a different class or something…? I also understand the benefits for the folks already invested to not have another round, so this is me being a tad selfish :smiley:

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You’re not the only one. Unfortunately I didn’t have much to invest last time. Now would be perfect. But that’s life. What’s always good to remember is that no serious entrepreneur wants to do fundraising. It’s not something you do because you would love to “help” people with enough money to invest it for years to get even more. It’s usually a necessity to be able to do what you really want to do. It’s weird enough that some people can actually live from throwing their money around and letting others do the work. My not so humble opinion :slight_smile:

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I’ve been interested in your work since 2014; I think I found out about it in spring.
I’d like to build a dialogue with this community. I see room for improvement in how you manage e.g. your communication data. Which decision-maker would discuss with me the benefits your team seeks, so that we find out what things you value and you would prefer to buy from me?
When we discuss my benefits, we’d consider the fact that I’m eager to use your services and enjoy improved computing.

I invite you to this conversation. We can find out what transactions are possible between us.

Hi Julian, what do you have in mind?

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Reading through this thread with comments of 2 years of age(2017) I think it will be important to reflect and figure out the:

  1. What went wrong
  2. What went right
  3. Where to go from here

Reflection/Retrospection is key to growth and improvement. In MaidSafe case, I personally think there has been a great deal of too much trying to do too much at once, maybe even some perfectionism at play or too much debate on implementations rather than incremental constant releases and letting external testing in the wild guide the finalized implementation. Context switching for devs and multiple teams trying to work in parallel yields poor results generally when no given implementation is concrete enough that the other team can trust the dependency getting worked on won’t constantly keep changing its interface, producing constant rework across multiple complex code bases.

Just my own opinions from the far outside looking in from what I have seen over the last 2 years or so following the project and updates. If I had to say where MaidSafe goes from here, there are likely hard decisions ahead and a narrowing of focus for engineering. SAFE needs these 3 things from what I understand at its core:

  1. Secure routing among peers (current work being done still)
  2. Vaults to store/deliver the data integrated with routing
  3. Safecoin to incentivize the ecosystem

^ These feel like the big milestones each to me.

Smaller things but necessary:

  1. The user interfaces that allow the auth into the network and how to manage and view ones safecoin.(This may be the existing Safe Browser/Authenticator stuff, likely will need more work before MVP)

  2. The technique MaidSafe will engineer to allow the migration off MaidSafe coin to SafeCoin.

And of course to achieve all these I am not listing the tons of underlying bits. From malice at routing, to node aging techniques that occur among vaults for “farming”, data replication. And all the complexity around what it will take to integrate safecoin into it all and have proper rate limiting techniques on tx’s with safecoin. Not to mention software/network upgrades which is challenging too(I am missing 10-50 others too likely which would be good to bullet point out and get documented as well on the requirements). But that is what I understand to be the objective of SAFE. I think weekly updates should focus on whats being done to directly achieve those 3 goals above and the little underlyings they take. Otherwise we are drifting into the non-mvp needs that are fun to tinker with but not getting the core deliverables complete.