China upgrade GFW and VPN blocked

As far back as december 2013, maidsafe.net was listed as a dangerous site by qq. I think they’re onto this one…

Oh, how I wish you success in tearing down that sickening wall. It’s truly taking mankind’s greatest accomplishment thus far and pissing all over it.

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有vpn 才能上这个论坛? 嗯。。看来是不行 等beta出来 国内好好宣传哇 哈哈哈

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Using OpenVPN over SSH is the most suitable way to conceal you connection and be able to get free access to any blocked content OpenVPN China? Conceal your Connection Now! China ccan’t detect OpenVPN protocol so you can browse normally as you are located in China.

Would it be possible for a user who has no internet connection (offline) to receive a install flash drive and install SAFE and SAFE APP that was able to create an account—>self-encrypt their xTB of data to the 1MB chunks—>ship it to a friendly upload country with big fiber----->Receiving fiber uploader (example SAFEcrypt Fiber :wink: ) takes encrypted drive (No one except the account creator can access files) and upload the entire contents of the drive (millions of 1MB chunks) to the SAFE network?

I ask because that is what I want www.SAFEcryptDrive.com to do and it answers @Blindsite2k question as well.

@dirvine I know you guys are very busy and no rush on an answer, just needed to type it up while it was on my mind. As well as I am trying to grasp how much it may cost for me (Also make it easier in sending the coder in the right direction) to hire a coder to create that application. I would like to have that built now, since part of the function does not depend on the network being live.

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China can still use tor bridges.

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If you want to pay for someone to post stuff you could run anonymous email relay.

But in either case if data cannot be accessed what’s the point of posting it?

Anyone who posts stuff on behalf of other should count on the possibility of making it to the blacklist of the China’s spy agencies (if ever ID-ed). Are you willing to take the risk?

I’m talking Terabytes of data.

I would be happy to go in as much detail (They have been posted many times on this forum) on the benefits of backing up data onto a network that makes the files permanent, not censurable. Plus, this system could be used for people that have slow upload speeds. Where 100TB of data with a 100Mbps upload speed (much faster than the average) would take 100 days. With 10Gbps fiber available would take less than a week.

This thread alone I think gives enough information, except the spy list (everyone who has ever viewed this forum could already be on many lists), to make those points moot. The uploader doesn’t have any ability to know what is being updated, just like you don’t know what data chunks you have in your vault, and no one knows (unless someone makes it public) what has been uploaded to SAFE, and even if it was public no one knows who uploaded it.

This APP will be one of millions of APPs that will only be possible with the SAFE network.

Based on how long you have been on this forum @janitor I’m assuming you asked those questions for the benefit of people who are reading this forum for the first time. I appreciate the effort, it is important to remember. Thank you.

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I assumed they’d be offline and they’d send the data outside of wherever they are because they couldn’t access SAFE. It seems your assumption is they could, but the performance wouldn’t be good. Different assumptions.

Yes. Because if it’s uploaded and cannot be deleted, it’s not something for the faint of heart. I don’t know whether North Korea courts recognize the concept of plausible deniability. Or whether they have real courts.

So you are saying anyone that is uploading data chunks to the SAFE network then they should worry about legal liability. Following that threat by you (sorry the STATE) then anyone who runs a vault (or server or p2p or any other upload tech) should be worried about North Korea. This is probably as far as I am going to go with this discussion with you @janitor

Uploading stuff is one thing.
Hosting stuff is another.

Hosting (farming) was discussed ad nauseum elsewhere on this forum and in those topics I said what I think about that. Personally I am not bothered by unknowingly farming bits and pieces of illegal porn in my vault. Are you?
It’s funny how some folks here claim the farmers are going to be okay because they don’t have a clue what’s on their disks ( maybe they will, maybe they won’t) as if legal risk is zero.

Uploading is entirely another matter.

You’re trying to imply it’s the same thing, but it’s not. If you personally upload illegal stuff and on behalf of another person and properly protect their identity, legally you’ll be considered the uploader. What if data files you get “from China” is the Snowden archive or kid porn? But I guess you figured it all out.

If the file is encrypted and shredded before you upload how can you be liable? It’s just gobbledegook to you. I can’t read a word of Chinese. If someone paid me to deliver Chinese mail and then some guy captured me and tried to interogate me about something that was written on it they’d be out of luck because I couldn’t tell them even if I wanted to. If someone pays me to upload an unknown file how can I be held liable for what’s on it if I can’t read the file? Moreover how could they prove what’s on the file if I can’t read it? If they’ve got the owner and his encryption key then isn’t HE responsible for the file?

Some time ago I found a project called Dust (A Censorship-Resistant Internet Transport Protocol). It uses a statistical model to find out which packages go through DPS, then it mimics these packets making the most DPS useless.

Intro from the project site:

Dust is an Internet protocol designed to resist a number of attacks currently in active use to censor Internet communication. While adherence to the theoretical maxims of cryptographic security are observed where possible, the focus of Dust is on real solutions to real attacks.

Project: GitHub - blanu/Dust: A Polymorphic Engine for Filtering-Resistant Transport Protocols

:wink:

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I don’t know how you could be held liable, I am not a lawyer. Consult your lawyer or just go ahead. It’s up to you. All I’m saying uploader wannabes should think about this before they upload because uploading seems very much different from farming (which I already said but you ignored that and are still comparing uploading with farming - I see a recurring pattern in your arguments).

For all we know they don’t even need a proof. You could be put in a Gitmo type of facility while they think about it.

Today’s news from Hong Kong report on how a bookstore owner was disappeared from Hong Kong. Guess what kind of (completely legal) literature he was selling?

The “SAFEcrypt Fiber” can be the Hyperboria (cjdns - IPv6 Global encrypted subnet), it does not depends on the Internet but, can be routed on top of it, if there is no other mediums available (i.e., bunch of huge wireless APs pointing to China, from, for example, Taiwan, South Korea, Vietnam, Nepal, etc, or satellites).

This way, no traffic will pass through China’s Great Firewall.

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They’re deeply aware of the MaidSAFE project, I’m sure of this, because when you use the “defacto Chinese messaging services” (qq or wechat) (at least as of more than a year ago) when you IM’d a link of this forum’s URL to someone (the old URL, if ya wanna test this, who knows if they’re onto the new one yet) you’d get a message telling you that you were sending a link to a dangerous site that could give your computer and other’s computers viruses.

All that said, well, I have to imagine that thought-freedom for all people is one of the key motivating factors for the maidsafe team, and these issues are integral to my… attachment to their concepts. From personal experience I know how tough tech projects are, espeically the ones that are worth a damn. Maidsafe’s goals are worth ten damns, so as long as I feel that they’re truly chasing these goals (and I do feel this, so go a head and take the whole thing as an affirmation) then they’ll have at the very minimum my vocal support in every capacity I fill that’s fit to support their work.

Speaking of support, is there a central list somewhere of “areas where we could use a hand”?

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No, feel free to start a “help wanted” topic. If people like it we might pin it.

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It is not the first time when the Great firewall of China has upgraded its technology to block VPNs from accessing the data. We have observed similar kind of blockage in the past from Chinese firewall. best VPNs for China also modernizing its software to give users uninterrupted internet freedom.

are they doing traffic analysis on all connections?

are they blocking all encrypted traffic?

I have a hard time understanding how they are able to differentiate random data stream masked as http from actual http browsing.

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I imagine they’re just blocking access to popular VPN providers.

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Jeez, what an anti-freedom country :,(

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