Best mesh network to use with SAFE Network?

The SAFE Network would be so beneficial for people living in the third world that have a limited Internet infrastircture. But it would be particularly useful running on a mesh network in communities with no Internet at all.

What would be a really good mesh network that could serve as an ISP to run the SAFE Network?

Really depends on inter-village proximity. High clustering is preferred. Low cost narrow beam antennas can only grant so much range especially in highly forested regions. Luckily most third world regions are near the equator. Solar panels would provide all the power needed to run mesh relays and the nodes themselves at a relatively low acquisition cost.

CJDNS and B.A.T.M.A.N are good mesh protocols but the last time I checked, they were still under heavy development. If you really want to bring this technology to these areas, I would start by mapping out the regions then examining population density and distribution. Move on to climate and the level of cooperation among the population.

Start with one small region in great detail then move on to the next. It’s nice to fantasize, but it’s even better to get involved. If you need a brain to bounce ideas off of, let me know. I’ll try the best I can to help. Honestly, all that is really needed is commitment and leg work. Others will jump in if there is a clearly defined plan and a practical approach.

Come to think of it, these places are going to be saturated by tech giants soon enough. Add SAFE and boom! With their new found interest and technical knowledge, the inhabitants can transition to a meshnet with greater ease. It shouldn’t take more than 5 years IMO for the 60 - 70% of the 3rd would to join the www internet party. In the mean time we can create and refine strategies. :v: :relaxed:

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Why is that?
By definition you connect with peers that are distant to you, so it appears fairly useless to me.

I agree that @janitor has a point: in the SAFE network, you can not choose who your peers are, and in general this means they geographically very distant to you, so all these rural nodes would have to route through some gateway to the wider internet. The only realistic options would be that their clients “log in” to some node running at the gateway, but if they get charged for this, it will not improve their economic situation. I came up with a funny idea, that is having “local forks” of the SAFE network with a “local safecoin” (could also work in urban areas) running on the meshnet. Then the gateway node could use the space provided by the local network as storage for his vault, and this way pass on part of his profits to the “disconnected locals”. The reason this would probably not work well is the latency of the storage. The gateway node would not have enough succesful farming attempts because the “local safenet fork” would not deliver data fast enough to serve them before another vault does…

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Uhhh… Secure access anyone? You know how many books are unavailable to these precious people. One of their minds could hold the key to a solution of one the world biggest scientific problems. Seriously, I don’t care. We need to pirate/disseminate those books. Destroying the knowledge barrier is the destiny of SAFE. Current systems are far more unreliable than this great network we’re only now seeing come into virtual existence. When I think SAFE I think of millennia if not permanent data retention. :wink:

The non issue of books was mentioned in this context of “poor Africans” before.

  • books are very low bandwidth item, there is absolutely no need for mesh for books. For porn, MP3s and the Hollywood garbage, yes, but those who have time to consume that content can probably afford to get it their own way.
  • the satellite thing (whatever it’s called, the Kickstarter project) is cheaper than mesh (one sat dish plus WiFi AP can disseminate books to the entire “isolated” village) and has entered production
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Price doesn’t matter. SAFE represents the great repository. Things get lost, but not in SAFE. :wink: Private credentials excluded. :relaxed:

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