Yes that defined the SAFE network as a whole. And like the DB project (mentioned above) the nodes are not servers because they do not act by themselves and only collectively can they be called a server. In other words the nodes (vault is one component of a node) need to come together in agreement for anything to be done.
So yes in no way shape or form can a vault or the node which the vault is a part of be called a server.
If you understand whatās being attempted to communicate but act as though there is deception or wrongness going on, then yes, it becomes trolling and Iād rather do without it, as would many, I think. My opinion.
On the other hand, suggesting a better way to communicate about it would be a good move.
No malice you say ā¦ letās do a bit of a dive into your comments ā¦
A lie by definition is a DELIBERATE deception. Versus what most seem to be telling you here - that the terms āserverlessā and āvaultsā are a means of expressing the differences between the traditional Internetās means of storing and retrieving data via a centralized means and the Safe Networkās means of doing such. Effectively this amounts to a semantic difference of opinion and not a lie.
Pot ā Kettle:black
Implying a lie is itself slanderous ā¦ again, Pot ā Kettle:black
I donāt know how old you are or what youāve studied, but your hypocrisy is over the top and demonstrates an unwillingness on your part to fully analyze your own point of view.
None here are obligated to give you a different point of view. Why should we care to help you understand when you are so clearly trolling.
So ā¦ If you are not willing to PROVE that there is a deliberate deception or apologize for your attack on the character of the team with regards to your ālieā comment, then I suggest that the community should start ignoring you. Trolls do not deserve attention.
This is how everyone except one person here sees it.
I wonder exactly how this discussion has helped the project forward, or contributed with anything really?
This look painfully much to me as inane hairsplitting. I do care about the meaning of words, in system design and programming it is essential to get the definitions right. But there never was any real question about the definitions here? Everyone (except one person) stood at the same position they do now.
But it all got a whole lot of attention from the right people.
I canāt say why it was so important, but it still has me wondering about the last post I wrote in this topic. The principle seems off to me.
You will see this sometimes and it is occasionally for good reason. In this case (before it went for quite so long though) I had pinged our marketing PR team etc. to read the convo and follow it as it is likely that:
Such criticisms need to be understood
We need a way to close those kinds of distractions down
So there was another purpose for me anyway, but yea I figured an hour or so tops, not several monotonous days. It went way too far and worse possibly obscured more pertinent conversations and criticisms.
Just on this one quickly. I do genuinely hope you take a step away from this particular environment once the network gains traction.
Weāre all pretty spoiled on the Forum for now, youāre genuine folk at Maidsafe, the access we get is something that isnāt taken for granted.
There will come a point though where success equals a weight with respect to managing and interacting with folk here.
Even with a delegated community manager say in place to handle these type of things I probably see folks like the OP multiplying like little Gremlins (the cost of success really) and this place being/becoming a bit of a time sink for you guys in the not too distant future.
Apologies if Iām asking an unanswerable question but has there been any forward thinking about how to delegate/manage this load?
Your nature is to simply help itās who you are but as Maidsafe over time tries to step away from too close an association with the Network itself is there any chance one of your biggest allies (the community) becomes something of a weight internally on you guys?
Sorry to derail the topic just something I and some others Iāve introduced to the project have wondered about.
Mostly scale the company out to accommodate. As this happens we all get involved to a lesser detail in each area, if at all. So itās just growth in responsibility based roles really.
Since everyone is having some opinion on what is server and what is a vault, here is mine.
One thing, I hope everyone here would agree is, what, a network of computers/devices is. Based on how these computers communicate with eachother, it is possible to refer to them, as a server, client, peer etc.
Safecoin by definition is much different from the traditional client-server or peer-to-peer architectures, though it uses a lot of features used in traditional architectures.
Now trying to retrofit a term in a new paradigm in to terms defined within older paradigms, is a sure recipe for a disaster. Thus it is best to define new terms for a new paradigm.
To ask if a vault is a server will be a fruitless effort. Though they might have some similar attributes apples are not oranges. But if you take the definition of apple and put much effort you might be able to prove that an orange fits into the same definition, so it is an apple. Would it serve any purpose depends.
Actually there are some similarities with some other decentralised systems and often they use āNodeā to denote a computer that is, well a node, in the decentralised architecture.
So Iād say the easiest and simplest term to adopt is āNodeā and a vault is only one component of the node anyhow.
And as David said a node cannot operate on its own and is only a component in the huge server called the SAFE network. So in fact it cannot be a server since it is only a component that cannot serve data without all the other components in the section. ie cannot act on its own like a server can