If people feel like I have in the past, they are a little afraid to speak up.
I was in that space after I saw some of the more zealous interventions on the part of the moderators in the past. It took me getting to the point of not caring anymore whether I was welcome here in future to speak up. Others don’t like to rock the boat. Others have only seen the blow-ups that occur (including in the update Forum Guidelines thread) and don’t want to ally themselves with people who seem to be overblowing things, and sometimes are. I was also in that group for quite a while, despite my disagreements with the mod actions.
Think about it this way:
It’s politics. How does politics work? Well, when there are two opposing groups, one pushes their viewpoint further one way, and the other pushes them the other way. I’ve seen a small number of very vocal people here have complete meltdowns after mod actions and come out, guns blazing, ready to burn the place to the ground. Who wants to join that team?
It’s a polarisation. The proposal is an attempt to stop that polarisation once and for all.
I think you missed my point. They have a clear bias, and move opposing views into their own special category. I’m not saying it’s equivalent at all.
What I am saying is that instead of getting my personal political views moved into their own special topic (which is awful! I wouldn’t do that to socialists myself, despite my complete disagreement with their positions), I can’t bring political context into a topic that is not expressly political, period. SAFE has political implications, and sometimes, there are strong points of argument that are relevant to the topic being discussed on a feature, for example. Sometimes, the underpinnings of an economic argument are based in political positions, such as the right to private property. Safecoin is affected by economic laws, and so any discussion of safecoin, with changes to the fundamentals (like one user’s push to get rid of the issuance cap and rely on inflation), inevitably leads to the economic argument, and then people ask you to justify that argument. Some of that argument can rest in political theory. And the difference is rather important, if it has a chance of affecting the outcome of the network itself…
I’m not saying we should be able to go off on lengthy side-chains that drag the topic way off course; I just think that some leniency could be given here, rather than a solid ban on posting political opinions/concepts/ideas outside of ‘off-topic’.
Well, generally I haven’t seen opposition from many of the users here in the past with political stuff, besides when it’s got really contentious or long-winded and way, way off-topic.
Different policies would indeed help me. And the moderators have control over those policies, for the time being.
As do I. Safe is such a radical concept with such far-reaching implications that I think it is vital to have the fundamentals right.
The Linux forums (many of them) seem to be filled with arrogant, impatient people who feel the need to constantly berate new people for not knowing where to find information before they ask a question about it. It’s not a nice environment for newbs at all. I don’t see how a Linux forum is equivalent to this. This isn’t what we should aspire to.
Besides, this community has always, since the beginning, had a complete different flavour to the Linux forums.
- Linux forums are mostly there to provide help on development of the software, or to provide an informational resource for new users, or users dealing with problems.
- This forum started out with a bang, with a focus on tracking the development of this software, but also with people discussing all sorts of ideas and innovations. Exciting stuff. I feel like the magic is being lost (somewhat), because of restrictions.
Of course, some of those Linux forums are great! But Linux isn’t embedded with a crypto-currency, and it isn’t directly targeted at destroying government spying, but rather it is there partly as an alternative product to Windows, which will be mentioned there, without deletion. Safe and political discussion are strongly linked, so it’s inevitable that political issues will come up.
(Note: I use Linux nearly 99% of the time, and have done for over 16 years. I’m at system admin level in terms of expertise and have participated on Linux forums for as long as I’ve been using Linux.)